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   Delta Chat (delta@chaos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 04:52:31 JST Delta Chat

   PSA: please recommend newcomers to use chatmail servers instead of suggesting they start first with an existing classic e-mail address.

   #Chatmail servers provide a dependable, fast and secure messaging experience, with instant push notifications for Google and Apple phones. No personal data needed. Delta Chat profiles with chatmail servers come closest to mainstream messaging experiences and typically "just work" also in many repressive situations with bad internet or partial blockings.

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     Delta Chat (delta@chaos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 06:39:45 JST Delta Chat

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     • Bill Seitz
     • Kinetix

     @billseitz @kinetix we understand the sentiment and reluctance of "creating yet another account". Everybody is tired of signing up somewhere. But since chatmail servers and instant onboarding was introduced some 9 months ago, usage strongly increased and there are now at least a dozen independent #chatmail servers with many more we don't know. Did you try it? There is no "heavyness" of registration typically associated with "signing up". Chatmail addresses make e-mail cheap again! :)

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     Bill Seitz (billseitz@toolsforthought.social)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 06:39:46 JST Bill Seitz

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     • Kinetix

     @delta @kinetix 99.9% of user's family/friends will not want to create a new account and learn/use another piece of software, at least not to get started.
     You can repeat the "Sent with Hotmail" viral process.
     Sounds like you should grease 2 transitions, to chatserver account, and to DeltaChat client. And you should support them in any order, as well as never doing either.
     (You can ignore me, I'm not even a real user at the moment....)

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     Delta Chat (delta@chaos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 06:39:47 JST Delta Chat

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     • Kinetix

     @kinetix It's totally fine to go with self-hosting but >99.99% percent of potential users are not running their own e-mail servers and it doesn't make sense to recommend it as the sellling-point then generally? Also, Delta Chat has multi-profile support. There is nothing speaking against first trying things with friends with default profiles, and if you like it use self-hosted addresses. Some first users evolved to run their own #chatmail server and migrated there.

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     Kinetix (kinetix@humanwords.cc)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 06:39:48 JST Kinetix

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     @delta@chaos.social I find it a little disconcerting that you're now actively trying to push people away from the one thing that made Delta an intriguing proposition in the first place - it's ability to do IM over existing email accounts. For self hosters like myself, this was a great selling point for not having yet-another-thing-I-need-to-maintain.
     
     But now you're actively messaging that people should poo-pooh the idea after already making one's own secure email infrastructure a second class citizen in the app.
     
     It sounds like you're heading down the road of making it impossible to use standard email servers at all (why support 'em if you have reasons to demote them and poo-pooh them?), and then what's the advantage of Delta over signal, matrix or xmpp?
     
     This seems really short sighted, even though you're obviously very excited about what you've done with chatmail.