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   Noah (monkeyninja@10base2.dev)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 01:32:55 JST Noah

   "It's not a #nazi salute, he just got really excited and this was a socially awkward person's attempt at connecting with people."

   Hey y'all, your friendly neighborhood socially awkward person here. Now this is not a new mantle mind you, I have been socially awkward my whole life to the point where I wrapped around the bend and found myself socially accepted within a band of other socially awkward folks (which is quite lovely mind you). So when I see people talking about #musk throwing his arm out in a Nazi #salute, I have many thoughts on this matter.

   Things that are 100% in the realm of "OK yeah, I can see that as an example of how other socially awkward people might act"
   - Making a weird noise that someone thought might be an ostrich gargling oatmeal and/or a Castrato singing "Ave Maria" in the key of rusty belt sander (I swear, the sound made sense in my head at the time)
   - Slamming one's fist down excitedly and hitting a carton of orange juice which explodes in a 5 foot radius (that was me...I did that once...don't ask)
   - Giggling anxiously while staring at one's feet (did this too many times to count)
   - Speaking waaaay too fast or way too softly (still might do this...)
   - Repeating what you want to say under your breath several times before actually speaking and then speaking way too fast or way too softly (OK...I've gotten better about this but still do it)

   You know what's not socially awkward? Nazi salutes. Fuck your bargain basement excuses for bullshit Nazism.

   #ElonMusk showed who he is and now it's our job to believe him.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 01:32:54 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @monkeyninja

     Ok so we are all going to agree now whenever we see this gesture it is never socially awkward and always a nazi salute, got it. Will do, so Harris is a Nazi too then right?

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 04:14:30 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @RegGuy @monkeyninja

     that is factually inaccurate. A Nazi salute involves a hand at your side immediately raised up to the air, which the motion HArris did by your own Admission. On the other hand Musk first puts his hand across his heart (which is NOT the motion for the nazi salute) before raising it.

     Of the two Harris's motion was far more accurate to a Nazi salute than Musks.

     To be clear I dont think either of these are intended to be Nazi salutes. But if we are going purely based ont he motions it is harris's that is far closer to a Nazi Salute than Musk's.

     Don't beleive me, just pull up a video of literally any nazi salute from the actual Nazi army (I wont link such vile filth myself but you should have no problem finding it),.

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     Joe (regguy@mastodon.world)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 04:14:31 JST Joe

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     @freemo Here is the video that this screenshot is taken from. Just after the 4:30 mark, you'll find her moving her arm in a gesture. That gesture is *NOT* the Nazi salute. What Elon Musk did was a near-perfect mimic of Adolf Hitler's salute.

     So no, this does not show that VP Harris is anything but a woman who uses her hands when she speaks.
     https://www.c-span.org/program/road-to-the-white-house-2020/south-carolina-democratic-party-convention-senator-kamala-harris/528784 @monkeyninja

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 04:50:11 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @RegGuy @monkeyninja

     Here is a video showing thousands of people and hitler giving the salute multiple times over. As you can see at no time did any of these people pound their shoulder first? I guess hitler just didnt know how to give his own salute huh?

     https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=286236915358786

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     Joe (regguy@mastodon.world)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 04:50:13 JST Joe

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     @freemo
     Here is a link with a side-by-side of Hitler and Musk doing that salute. I guess Hitler didn't know how to do the salute, aye?
     https://stranger.social/@OGjester/113867700657276056
     @monkeyninja

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 04:58:17 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @monkeyninja @RegGuy

     Its also a faked and/or cherry picked video. Here is a video showing thousands of people giving hte salute to hitler as well as hitler giving he saolute multiple times throughout history. As can clearly be seen the chestpump was **never** a part of the salute in a single instance.

     So now we are saying hitler and all germans werent even giving the Nazi salute, which resemble's Harris's salute not Musks?

     https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=28623691

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     Noah (monkeyninja@10base2.dev)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 04:58:18 JST Noah

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     • Joe

     Thanks @RegGuy, I didn't have the link so I'm glad you could provide that. As for your comment @freemo in terms of whether we're going to always say such a thing is a Nazi salute? Who the person is and what they support is really crucial to that. Harris has not given me any reason to think that she would make such an arm gesture in support of Nazi ideology. Musk on the other hand has on numerous occasions shown both tacit and outright support for extreme ideologies that include support of the Nazi party. He removed all guard rails on Twitter to allow more open posts from Nazis and he provided heavy monetary support to a president who idolizes Nazis. So yeah, Musk doesn't get any benefit of the doubt here. As I said, he's told us who he is. Not just through this but time and again when given the opportunity to show us who he is, he has shown unequivocally who that is and what he supports.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 05:01:05 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @monkeyninja @RegGuy

     Also do I need to remind you, this isnt a personal theory. The jewish representative of the anti defamation league, someone who has clearly shown he doesnt like Musk, has explicitly stated that while this is an "awkward" gesture it did not look like a Nazi salute.

     I think im going to take a literal Jewish expert on identifying nazi's as the authority on this one.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 08:20:41 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @monkeyninja @RegGuy

     To be clear I am **not** claiming tghat this man doesnt behave in some ways that may align with nazi ideals (such as xenophobia and supporting a racist like trump are nazi-like, to some degree.

     I wouldnt even go so far as to say he isnt a racist, maybe he is, probably he is.

     All I am saying is there is no doubt in my mind (or those who are experts in this) that what he did did not represent a Nazi salute and was not intended to resemble one. Any resemblance is by accident.

     That much is clear, its not a Nazi salute, full stop. Nothing about that statement however suggests he isnt a nazi-like person, and by that i mean, willing to support racists and racist policy and fascism, cause clearly he does.

     If people said "Musk is supporting a racist and a fascist" I would have been cheering you on going "hell yea he does".. the moment you get tot he absurdity of trying to claim he intentionally did a Nazi salute, thats when you totally loose me.

     I dont think the liberals realize over exaggerating everything and turning into the most absurd exaggeration of itself is **not** doing anyone any favors, all its doing is discrediting you from an otherwise very real and important discussion.

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     Noah (monkeyninja@10base2.dev)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 08:20:42 JST Noah

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     • Joe

     @freemo @RegGuy You seem to be approaching this as if each thing Musk does should be taken at face value, rather than looking historically at who he is and what he supports. Because yeah, if I just came into this conversation and this was the first thing I ever heard about him, I too might say we were jumping the gun. But that's not the case is it? Musk wrote on 20 December 2024 "Only the AfD can save Germany." That post is still up. So it's really hard to give him any wiggle room and any grace when he posted support for the current incarnation of the Nazi party in Germany. His history is what makes this a Nazi salute, not his awkwardness. Just like Harris's history makes hers not. These two things are not the same, these two people are not the same.

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     Raymond Lesley (raymondlesley@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 08:20:55 JST Raymond Lesley

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     • Joe

     @freemo @RegGuy @monkeyninja https://x.com/Dispropoganda/status/1881679969530904596?t=aDV5Y31u8hi5ebYC-V6DzA&s=09

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 08:25:04 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @raymondlesley That is cherry picked and/or faked.

     Why did you try to find the one example of faked/cherry picked image, rather than the thousands of archived photos showing Hitler giving the salute that look nothing like this?

     Here is what a no-cherry picked video looks like. Here we have a video that was **not** made in relation to musk that shows thousands of germans during hitlers time as well as hitler himself giving the nazi salute over and over and over again at different points in history to show how ti evolved over time.

     Do you notice how not one single example in this video resembles Musks salute, not one? So why did you pick the obviously manipulated example that doesnt show reality?

     https://www.instagram.com/brownissues/reel/DFEIwrKyn8h/

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     Noah (monkeyninja@10base2.dev)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 09:17:40 JST Noah

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     • Joe
     • Raymond Lesley

     @freemo Sigh...I admit, I engaged with you because I checked out your profile and at least based on what I read there in terms of your world views, I thought I was clearly misunderstanding your point. That's because context is important as is information about the person and what they support.

     That's why I am looking at what Musk did as a Nazi salute and what Harris did as not. Who the person is, what they say, who they support, all is important framing as I previously said.

     I'm not really interested in waxing pedantic about whether his Hitlergruß was historically accurate or not. My beliefs about Musk weren't formed out of a singular event but out of an established track record for what he says, what he does, and what he supports. This event didn't deliver to me any new information it just further cemented an already communicated narrative about who he is.

     Anyway, because of your profile I chose to assume you're not just a troll (as some folks have reached out and suggested to me). To be honest, I have no idea, we've never crossed paths before. Usually folks with left-leaning profiles and 31K followers on Mastodon aren't just trolls but hey, I'm flexible.

     Maybe you are and if so, nice job getting me to waste my time. If I didn't have your profile to go off of I would have blocked you ages ago because minus that info this all just reads like your average run-of-the-mill trolling with a bit of nazi-apologism thrown in for seasoning. If it's not then...well color me confused as it seems like you're ignoring a plethora of information on Musk to arrive at this point with any positive beliefs about his character and pedantry on this particular topic isn't a particularly good look for anyone.

     And if you are a troll, before you throw the flag on this reply as ad hominem since that's usually next in the play book when we get to this stage, I'm not attacking your character, I'm questioning it. Because this all reads as trying to defend someone like Musk and trying to draw false equivalence and as someone else already stated, that's pretty low.

     If that's all there is here and you're just trolling then cool cool, I'll just go ahead and block you and go on with my life. Either way I think I'm likely done with replying to you. You have yourself a great day.

     cc: @RegGuy @raymondlesley since you two were the last folks to reply on the thread

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 09:21:34 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @monkeyninja

     > That's why I am looking at what Musk did as a Nazi salute and what Harris did as not. Who the person is, what they say, who they support, all is important framing as I previously said.

     The odd thing is, so am I. LEt me explain my logic:

     Of the two Musk is infinitely more likely to be a Nazi than HArris. He may just be nazi like in a some weak ways, maybe he is full on nazi, hard to gauge just how far he is down that scale, but its far enough.

     So why dont I think he gave a NAzi salute. Cause he isnt that kind of Dumb.. Trump is tht kind of dumb, if Trump did it i wouldn't even question it. But Musk is snake-smart. He is smart enough to know even if he is a raging Nazi and whats to see the white race destroy all others, he STILL didnt make a purposeful Nazi solute because he has enough brain cells to know that would be death.

     Now to be clear I dont think Harris was giving a Nazi solute either (though she is a raging fascist, just not of the Nazi variety). That was just there because hers **looks** far more like a nazi salute, so it is put as a point of absurdity and comparison.

     Am I atroll.. I am a trtoll in the sense that i dont give the slightest fuck what someone thinks about me. So I put no effort into "Coming across" one way or another. I know damn well 99% of the small minded people will see what I said, assume I'm a troll and block me. I want that as it gets the toxic people to filter themselves for me, its very intentional. Then the 1% who are left, like you, bother to talk long enough to understand and then realize all it was is that i wasnt putting on airs, it wasnt (*like you probably assumed) some sort of (anti)virtue signaling.
     @RegGuy @raymondlesley