VessOnSecurity
@GossiTheDog It's nothing like what people claim it is. It's a "my heart goes to you gesture".
The ancient Romans had a similar military salute but with a clenched fist - fisted hand over heart, then extended forward.
Here are other photos of politicians waving similarly to the crowd that look like what you think that Musk did but similarly aren't:
ScottyC
@GossiTheDog maybe he is too stupid to know what he is doing? Nevermind, he knows exactly what he is doing.
Alex
@GossiTheDog also a stuttering buffoon.
gigantos
@GossiTheDog I doubt it was intended as a nazi salut, but it sure looks like one.
Jens Finkhäuser
@meganmariehart @GossiTheDog It's "funny", when he rebranded twitter and I added those hooks to the X, people were sure I was overreacting.
Megan Marie Hart
@GossiTheDog And now we all know for certain why he put x on everything. Expect the rebrand with four hooks any moment.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
"“It seems that [Musk] made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute,”" -- Jewish Anti-defamation league representatives public statement about this incident.
Also Harris for comparison attached (also not a Nazi salute).
Mark Esler
@GossiTheDog I believe you mentioned being against CW before, but this is where I would. Jewish folks may not want racist caricatures in their feed (regardless of intent).
VessOnSecurity
@emilion @waldschnecke @GossiTheDog
OK, I did some research myself to see the opinions of the experts in the filed. Let's take a look, shall we? 👇
VessOnSecurity
@emilion @waldschnecke @GossiTheDog
Opinion of the Anti-Defamation League. You know, the kind of guys whose mission in life is to defend Jewish people in the USA from anti-semitism?
BTW, they describe him as a "mega-donor". Do you know many Nazis who are mega-donors to organizations that defend Jewish people? Me neither.
Emilion
@bontchev @waldschnecke @GossiTheDog The very wikipedia article you quote covers modified Nazi salutes. Very picky of you to limit the timescale to pre-1945.
VessOnSecurity
@emilion @waldschnecke @GossiTheDog Well, that's when they used the Nazi salute. The article also discusses other Nazi gestures, as well as the Ku Klux Klan and the Houthi salutes, neither of which Musk made, either. Which particular part are you referring to?
Emilion
@bontchev @waldschnecke @GossiTheDog I will not be making your research for you. If you don't want to do research yourself maybe you could rely on the opinions of experts in the field?
https://bsky.app/profile/ruthbenghiat.bsky.social/post/3lg7eiifhyc2a
VessOnSecurity
@waldschnecke @GossiTheDog The Nazi salute did not involve touching the heart. It's a subservient gesture to the leader - "you're bigger than me, I submit to your authority"; not a "my heart goes out to you" gesture.
Emilion
@bontchev @waldschnecke @GossiTheDog It is amusing to see you try twisting reality.
VessOnSecurity
@emilion @waldschnecke @GossiTheDog LOL, these schmucks are just as ignorant on the subject as you are.
Here is Wikipedia, "twisting reality":
"The salute was executed by extending the right arm stiff to an upward 45° angle and then straightening the hand so that it is parallel to the arm."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute
No touching the heart, no clenched fist, no waving the palm up, facing the person they're saluting, not being sideways.
Schneckbert 🐌
@bontchev @GossiTheDog maybe not really relevant, but maybe it is? it has never been historically proven that the roman salute existed. there is no known record of it (and romans where actually comparativeley good at recording) There are later (much later!) paintings that show something that could be interpreted like this, but none of those are based on historical records. Anyhow - I would like media to call it what is. A nazi -or if you will- fascist sign.
VessOnSecurity
@emilion @waldschnecke @GossiTheDog Or maybe, just like me, he's sticking to the facts and is not blinded by propaganda and ideology.
Yes, I'm aware that ADL defends Israel's interests. They defend everything Jewish - it's their mission in life. I'm pretty sure they don't look kindly on Nazi salutes in Israel, either.
Emilion
@bontchev @waldschnecke @GossiTheDog Haha... ADL is an organization pushing Israel's agenda, looking the other way from ethnic cleansing happening in Israel. ADL, after their statement you quoted, went incommunicado. In the article [1] below you can read reactions, including former ADL's director.
Greenblatt, ADL's CEO, is Musk's fan, so he bends over backwards to twist reality [2]. Just like you.
VessOnSecurity
@GossiTheDog @emilion @waldschnecke I don't follow closely all their writings but that qualification of AfD is probably not quite correct. Anti-semitism is *very* illegal in Germany; a whole official party with such a platform wouldn't be allowed to exist.
I also disagree with the qualification of Italy's PM as "fascist", although like Le Pen, she's a bit too far-right for my taste.
VessOnSecurity
@emilion @waldschnecke @GossiTheDog But if your lawsuit has no merit, you'll lose it and will be stuck with the legal expenses. So, you must know enough on the subject to have a reasonable hope of winning.
VessOnSecurity
@emilion @waldschnecke @GossiTheDog
No, but he's suing the University for allowing anti-semitism, so I guess he knows what he's talking about:
https://nypost.com/2024/01/18/news/meet-the-students-suing-harvard-upenn-over-anti-semitism/
Emilion
@bontchev @waldschnecke @GossiTheDog I will be soft spoken and will just say your assumption is not logical. You know it, so why are you wasting everyone's time here?
VessOnSecurity
@emilion @waldschnecke @GossiTheDog I am not wasting anyone's time. Nobody is holding a gun to your head, forcing you to read what I write and to respond to it. Feel free to do whatever else you find as being a better use of your time.
Also, I disagree that my assumption is not logical.
Emilion
@bontchev @waldschnecke @GossiTheDog In US I can sue any institution and claim they are helping lizard people to take over the world. This doesn't make me an expert, or proves I know what I am talking about.
So how does your argument of the lawsuit confirm expertise on the subject?
VessOnSecurity
@emilion @waldschnecke @GossiTheDog You omitted the part about "fighting anti-semitism on college campuses".
Emilion
@bontchev @waldschnecke @GossiTheDog Expert on fascism then?
VessOnSecurity
@emilion @waldschnecke @GossiTheDog Among other things anti-semitic, yes.
Emilion
@bontchev @waldschnecke @GossiTheDog Can you provide any of his research papers on fascism? I cannot find any.
VessOnSecurity
@emilion @waldschnecke @GossiTheDog
Next, some university guy who campaigns against anti-semitism in colleges campuses:
Emilion
@bontchev @waldschnecke @GossiTheDog University graduate, some guy, is an expert?
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