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   Element (element@mastodon.matrix.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Jan-2025 19:42:14 JST Element

   🚨Nation-scale Matrix deployments will fail if built on the community version of Synapse.

   The community version of Synapse is not designed or intended for use by commercial Matrix hosting providers to serve huge nation-scale deployments. Just as a suspension bridge has a weight limit and will collapse if you exceed it - the same goes for community Synapse.

   Deployments supporting millions of users need Synapse Pro.

   https://element.io/blog/scaling-to-millions-of-users-requires-synapse-pro/

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     Nemo_bis 🌈 (nemobis@mamot.fr)'s status on Friday, 17-Jan-2025 19:42:08 JST Nemo_bis 🌈

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     @element Would you be able to name a price if one such "nation-scale deployment" wanted to pay you to switch Synapse Pro to AGPL and maintain it as such for, say, 5 years?

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     Troed Sångberg (troed@ioc.exchange)'s status on Friday, 17-Jan-2025 19:42:12 JST Troed Sångberg

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     @element As a tax payer I want my government to use open source. Since Synapse Pro isn't, it's simply not usable for such cases.

     Thank you for detailing the need for doing the same development to the open source Synapse as you have already done on Synapse Pro. I hope you do agree, it would be a pity to have to fork.

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     Element (element@mastodon.matrix.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Jan-2025 19:42:12 JST Element

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     • Troed Sångberg

     @troed We'd also like everything to be open source. But the reality is that even with AGPL, we're still stuck in the pattern that enormous deployments use FOSS Synapse without contributing to its dev/maintenance costs.

     Every time an opportunity that we're counting on to fund the team turns around and says "oh, FOSS Synapse is good enough, and we can use it for free, bye" we find ourselves needing to provide a very concrete reason not to freeride - hence Synapse Pro.

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     Nemo_bis 🌈 (nemobis@mamot.fr)'s status on Friday, 17-Jan-2025 21:03:56 JST Nemo_bis 🌈

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     @element Thanks! A very reasonable price if you ask me. Italy is planning to spend *billions* to supposedly secure their insecure military messaging at the network layer.

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     Element (element@mastodon.matrix.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Jan-2025 21:03:57 JST Element

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     • Nemo_bis 🌈

     @nemobis the funding gap we're try to plug for Synapse and associated Matrix dev is very roughly around $5M/y. So over 5 years, that'd be $25M.

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     Element (element@mastodon.matrix.org)'s status on Friday, 17-Jan-2025 21:32:18 JST Element

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     • Nemo_bis 🌈

     @nemobis yup, and be vendor-locked to SpaceX in doing so: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-05/italy-plans-1-5-billion-spacex-telecom-security-services-deal.

     Another solution here could be if governments decided to actually support FOSS by funding its maintenance & dev by subscribing to the paid product, rather than freeriding. ZenDiS in Germany is a great example of this. But unfortunately, they're almost unique in this, hence Synapse Pro.

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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Friday, 17-Jan-2025 23:51:27 JST djsumdog

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     Pretty sad Element is fucking themselves over. The death of Dendrite makes more sense now. There are a lot of other Matrix clients, but very few re-implementations of the server (none?). The blog post talks about government service. Congratulations Element, you're now selling yourself to wasteful entities that only by overpriced shit and screw over the population.

     It's like they're managing to piss off all communities and forcing themselves to the mediocre middle.

     Glad to know you're open source product is literally designed to fail! Great marking in your blog post.

     You will never be Slack, and now you'll also never be XMPP.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 18-Jan-2025 20:38:39 JST SuperDicq

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     • Troed Sångberg

     @element@mastodon.matrix.org @troed@ioc.exchange Stop developing proprietary software!
     
     If not Ejabberd is free, we will install this instead.
     
     :gnujihad:

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     Nemo_bis 🌈 (nemobis@mamot.fr)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 16:20:46 JST Nemo_bis 🌈

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     • Boud

     @element You probably need to get help from an existing Matrix user who's involved in Horizon funding, otherwise this is impossibly hard. What about German healthcare?

     The website https://gaia-x.eu/ got confusing, might still be worth joining.

     Any project needs padding to cover the academic partners' fixed costs. Only GÉANT gets significant money for infrastructure https://cordis.europa.eu/project/id/101194278; in https://cordis.europa.eu/project/id/101147319 , https://cordis.europa.eu/project/id/101129751 the main suppliers get 2-10% of the pie.

     @boud

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     Element (element@mastodon.matrix.org)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 16:20:47 JST Element

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     • Nemo_bis 🌈

     @boud @nemobis Interesting. @matrix tried to pitch for EDIC funding about a year ago, but it went nowhere - it looks EDIC is focused on funnelling money from EU->Govts rather than to projects. Meanwhile €5M/y is too big for NGI. Hadn't come across ERICs; will check. If we'd had baseline funding for Synapse dev we wouldn't be in this position.

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     Boud (boud@framapiaf.org)'s status on Monday, 20-Jan-2025 16:20:48 JST Boud

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     • Nemo_bis 🌈

     @element @nemobis 5 MEUR/yr for 5 years sounds small on the EU scale. One possibility would be to convince one of the ERICs, arguing that EU-scale-FOSS-Synapse is crucial to EU research infrastructure [1]. Another would be to convince EOSC that EU-scale-FOSS-Synapse satisfies "seamless access" and #FAIR in supporting research and justifies a 25 MEUR/5 yrs budget [2].

     [1] https://research-and-innovation.ec.europa.eu/strategy/strategy-research-and-innovation/our-digital-future/european-research-infrastructures/eric/eric-landscape_en

     [2] https://research-and-innovation.ec.europa.eu/strategy/strategy-research-and-innovation/our-digital-future/open-science/european-open-science-cloud-eosc_en

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 00:31:34 JST 翠星石

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     • Troed Sångberg
     @element @troed Ah yes, typical "FOSS" project.
     
     It's rather disgusting that you intentionally sabotage the "community" version to not scale, but that's to be expected really.
     
     
     I'll say it again, GNU/Jihad against "open source" and all other forms of proprietary software - FREE SOFTWARE.
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     10π🍇 (piuvas@capivarinha.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 08:13:26 JST 10π🍇

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     @element@mastodon.matrix.org why you saying this like its a good thing lil bro ( Pequeno Mano ) 💀

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     Patrick Leavy (patrickleavy@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 08:19:00 JST Patrick Leavy

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     @element is the pro version still open source, just with a price tag?

     That's fine IMO. I think open source should be paid for by those that can, if the product is good. This is the approach @futo are taking and I see nothing wrong with it. Open to contrary opinions though, as I'm relatively new to the open source world.

     My angle is that I want to see money diverted away from #bigtech and towards privacy-respecting open source products we can trust.

     #privacy ✅
     #surveillancecapitalism 🚫

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     Nemo_bis 🌈 (nemobis@mamot.fr)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 22:48:12 JST Nemo_bis 🌈

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     • Boud

     @boud Well... https://edri.org/our-work/european-commission-cuts-funding-support-for-free-software-projects/

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     Boud (boud@framapiaf.org)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Jan-2025 22:48:13 JST Boud

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     • Jan Penfrat
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     • EDRi

     @element It would make sense to try coordinating with @edri for looking for EU-level or EU-national-member-level financing. The case for supporting matrix software development is strong, but administrative-political coordination is needed. EDRI should have some good ideas and practical knowledge.
     @nemobis @ilumium

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     Jan Penfrat (ilumium@eupolicy.social)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 04:12:31 JST Jan Penfrat

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     • Boud
     • Nemo_bis 🌈
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     @boud @element @edri @nemobis At EDRi we indeed advocate for *much* more EU funding for free and open source software that is part of the digital commons.

     Just this week: https://edri.org/our-work/meta-and-x-are-going-rogue-here-is-what-europe-should-do-now/

     We would love projects like the #Matrix Foundation to be on the receiving end of this. There is unfortunately heavy political resistance despite all the talk about #DigitalSovereignty.

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     Nemo_bis 🌈 (nemobis@mamot.fr)'s status on Friday, 24-Jan-2025 16:40:54 JST Nemo_bis 🌈

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     • Boud

     @element Virkkunen just (re)announced an "action plan to protect the health sector from cyberattacks".
     https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-unveils-action-plan-protect-health-sector-cyberattacks

     Involves ENISA and Horizon, proposes a new "pan-European Cybersecurity Support Centre" and of course produces a consultation. I hope "cybersecurity maturity assessments" and "procurement guidelines" will cover whether doctors swap patient data in plain text from gmail (I've seen the best hospitals in Milan do it with cancer patients).

     @ilumium @boud

     #EU #HealthCare