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   CarveHerName (carvehername@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 18:17:59 JST CarveHerName

   #OnThisDay, 16 Jan 1970, Dilma Rousseff, a member of the Brazilian guerrilla movement against the military government, was arrested. She was labelled the “Joan of Arc” of the movement.

   In 2011 she became the first woman to be president of Brazil.

   #WomenInHistory #OTD #History #WomensHistory #Histodons

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     Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 (rysiek@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 18:18:37 JST Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

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     @CarveHerName the judges hiding their faces is such a powerful visual. Wow.

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     Anna e só (anna@friend.camp)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 18:27:09 JST Anna e só

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     • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

     @rysiek @CarveHerName She was in her early 20s and was tortured for several days before this photo was taken. Those people hiding their faces are not judges, they’re military interrogators.

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     Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 (rysiek@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 18:30:48 JST Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

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     • Anna e só

     @anna @CarveHerName thank you for this context, I was going by the alt-text which mentioned judges.

     The point stands: men with all the power in this situation hide their faces. Bullies and cowards (all bullies are cowards after all).

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     Anna e só (anna@friend.camp)'s status on Thursday, 16-Jan-2025 18:39:41 JST Anna e só

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     • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

     @rysiek They have no shame, and Jair Bolsonaro (as a congressman at the time) made sure to mention the name one of the most deplorable people (Ustra was in charge of DOI-Codi, which tortured so many—including Dilma herself—and assassinated a lot people as well) when he voted for Dilma Rousseff’s impeachment in 2016. This military dictatorship is a wound that has never healed in Brazil’s history, and we keep going in a direction that keeps it that way.

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     aracnus (aracnus@social.teia.bio.br)'s status on Friday, 17-Jan-2025 03:30:35 JST aracnus

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     • blaue_Fledermaus

     And this is precisely the problem here, @blaue_Fledermaus . She was a great woman with great history, but not an idol. Dilma isn't perfect, but she had many great lines and suffered a lot of prejudice throughout her term as president. The “aura of incompetence” associated with her speeches derives from clippings and memes produced precisely to associate this aura with her.

     And reduce the guerrilla movement to just "just common bandits disguised as 'resistance'" is to completely disregard the historical moment in which this movement took place.

     @CarveHerName

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     blaue_Fledermaus (blaue_fledermaus@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 17-Jan-2025 03:30:36 JST blaue_Fledermaus

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     Yes! Certainly!

     I guess that was sort of the intention of my comment, because Dilma is one that a lot (most?) of people either demonize or idolize.

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     CarveHerName (carvehername@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 17-Jan-2025 03:30:37 JST CarveHerName

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     @blaue_Fledermaus *taps the sign*

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     blaue_Fledermaus (blaue_fledermaus@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 17-Jan-2025 03:30:38 JST blaue_Fledermaus

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     @CarveHerName
     She's certainly a controversial figure.

     On one side, under her government a ton of really good stuff was done.

     On another, every time she opened her mouth she had an immense aura of incompetence.

     I wasn't born yet, but I've heard that the guerrilla movement sometimes hurt innocent people and did actions for their own self profit instead of hurting the government. They were seen as just common bandits disguised as "resistance".

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     Noah Loren (noahloren@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Friday, 17-Jan-2025 03:31:09 JST Noah Loren

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     @blaue_Fledermaus No man, most people don't idolize Dilma Rousseff. But they feel genuine admiration for her. There are people who idolize her. I'm not one of them, because for me she did a lot of shit during her government like those terrible reforms. But robbing a bank during the military dictatorship to pay for resistance to a government that tortured and murdered hundreds of people is not one of those mistakes! She would be considered a criminal if we were still in the military dictatorship. This is literally rhetoric that people who defend the military regime use!? This is not being moderate.
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     Noah Loren (noahloren@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Friday, 17-Jan-2025 04:41:46 JST Noah Loren

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     @blaue_Fledermaus No, I honestly don't understand what the stigma is about this given the context. I would understand if she had committed violent crimes, if people had been raped or killed by her in these robberies because human life is priceless. But she didn't rob people. She robbed a bank. If a bank is robbed, it can refund the money of those who had money stored in it, which is unlikely because given the amounts, the money was not stolen from small accounts. And it will hardly go bankrupt because of this and leave its employees unemployed. In fact, if someone is left without compensation, it is mostly the bank's or the state's fault. That's just what I don't understand. If she had tortured someone I would understand, if she had killed a civilian, not a soldier, and raped someone I would understand. If she took money by force from workers and peasants. But feeling sorry for a bank!? Sorry, just wanted to comment.
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     blaue_Fledermaus (blaue_fledermaus@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 17-Jan-2025 04:41:49 JST blaue_Fledermaus

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     • Noah Loren

     @noahloren
     I also live in the very Conservative "right" Santa Catarina, so my perception is certainly biased.

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     blaue_Fledermaus (blaue_fledermaus@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 17-Jan-2025 04:41:50 JST blaue_Fledermaus

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     @noahloren
     Yes, that's why I put a question mark on "most", and also put "demonize" first because it seems to be the most common.

     I agree that both extreme views are unfair to her.

     I have heard a personal report of a former bank manager that was made hostage by her, she told him that the others wanted to kill him but she convinced them not to. Supposedly they were later caught spending all the money in casinos in Paraguay.