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   Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2025 20:57:47 JST Charlie Stross

   I'm pretty sure we've already got machines that are smarter than the average Tangerine Shitgibbon voter.

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     zip (zip@wandering.shop)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2025 21:03:44 JST zip

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     @cstross updating the Turing Test so it has to work on someone who, given an instruction manual, can successfully set the clock on an oven or VCR

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2025 21:09:31 JST Charlie Stross

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     @zip (1) Turing's original test ("the imitation game" in his paper) is rubbish, and (2) plenty of older people can't set the clock on an oven or VCR because of physical impairments, not just cognitive ones: pick something with a UX designed for human beings rather than to make life simple for engineers instead ...

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     zip (zip@wandering.shop)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2025 21:47:54 JST zip

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     @cstross fair point, hostile things aren't they

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     Cadbury Moose (cadbury_moose@wandering.shop)'s status on Monday, 13-Jan-2025 23:17:09 JST Cadbury Moose

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     @cstross My linisher is smarter than that (and a damned sight more useful).

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 00:44:45 JST Charlie Stross

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     • Ку 🇧🇬🇪🇺:neobear_computing:

     @kunev @profdc9 @zip That explains the USB dongles I've been seeing on AliExpress that emulate human mouse inputs to a PC or laptop when the human wants to be AFK.

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     Daniel Marks (profdc9@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 00:44:53 JST Daniel Marks

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     • Ку 🇧🇬🇪🇺:neobear_computing:

     @kunev @cstross @zip A lot of the time you are training the CAPTCHA and not the one being tested. It's literally just testing to see if you give the same wrong or incomplete answers as another human, and if your answer is too accurate you can fail the CAPTCHA as well as being too inaccurate.

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     Ку 🇧🇬🇪🇺:neobear_computing: (kunev@blewsky.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 00:44:53 JST Ку 🇧🇬🇪🇺:neobear_computing:

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     • Daniel Marks

     @profdc9@mastodon.social @cstross@wandering.shop @zip@wandering.shop I thought the modern ones were all mostly about mouse movements cause image recognition software is now often times better than humans.

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     Ку 🇧🇬🇪🇺:neobear_computing: (kunev@blewsky.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 00:44:55 JST Ку 🇧🇬🇪🇺:neobear_computing:

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     @cstross@wandering.shop @zip@wandering.shop selecting all the squares with a bus on them, but it only checks out if your mouse pointer movements are erratic and overall human enough?

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 00:58:08 JST Charlie Stross

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     @TerryCox We don't hit the stupidity singularity at all because the businesses that aim for it will bankrupt themselves first.

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     Terry Cox (terrycox@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 00:58:09 JST Terry Cox

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     @cstross To reach Artificial Intelligence, we must necessarily first pass through Artificial Stupidity.

     The fundamental question is whether we can survive the outcomes resulting from a bunch of businesses who believe that they can make money from deploying artificial stupidity at say 1/10th the cost of natural stupidity.

     At what fractional cost do we hit the Stupidity Singularity?

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 02:40:03 JST Charlie Stross

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     • Terry Cox

     @Orb2069 @TerryCox Not the next four years: the next however-long-it-is until the inevitable Trump/Musk falling out.

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     Orb 2069 (orb2069@mastodon.online)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 02:40:04 JST Orb 2069

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     @cstross @TerryCox

     You'd think that, but do you want to make a bet on Tesla's 'profitability' going way up over the next four years regardless of how many people they 'accidentally' kill with the ongoing FSD beta?

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     Miakoda (hellomiakoda@pdx.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 03:25:36 JST Miakoda

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     @cstross I know some people who are outsmarted by a fucken Furby

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 05:12:29 JST Charlie Stross

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     • Terry Cox

     @Orb2069 @TerryCox IRS audit combined with yanked security clearance (no SpaceX for you, Mr Stark), TSA investigation into Tesla crashes, US govt. boycott of X, and finally Trump will incite his followers to get shooty-shooty-bang-bang on the South African race traitor (as he'll designate Musk).

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     Orb 2069 (orb2069@mastodon.online)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Jan-2025 05:12:30 JST Orb 2069

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     @cstross @TerryCox
     Fair point. Think Trump will shoot him personally, or just have the TSA black bag him at an airport?