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@adachi @mischievoustomato @munir @Suiseiseki @waifu @dj We are in a "Death of the Author" situation. It might not matter what RMS thinks or promotes when _some_ of his most devout supporters misinterpret his ideas and preach something RMS didn't intent to/say.
One of such people is in this thread and started the whole discussion about this topic mostly unprompted. I've had multiple discussions with Suiseiseki exactly about promoting free software as much as possible, while also being pragmatic about it when simply no functioning/usable options exist and there's zero chance of changing him. He lives in his own bubble, unable to understand that a world where free software can't replace everything for everyone exists. Barely understanding what BIOS, microcode and system bootstrap are, while saying that updating proprietary microcode makes Libreboot proprietary, because they dared to update already broken software that is _already_ burned into the CPU die. In this case GNUBoot is actually counterproductive to spreading freedom, just like the flawed policy it follows. While Libreboot is better for user's freedom than normal BIOS, he won't acknowledge it because it breaks FSF's own policies. And if you get him into a corner that he can't "escape" with free software, he'll just play the skill issue card and be done with it.
I actually fully agree with RMS here in this case, even though some of his ideas and FSF policies are deeply flawed.
Anyway, to reference the copypasta, the pragmatic type of free software promoter you are referring to is a FOSSoid :D Don't take it seriously though, it was just written as a bait while I was on a long train ride and had nothing to do.
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@phnt @mischievoustomato @munir @waifu @adachi @dj >unable to understand that a world where free software can't replace everything for everyone exists.
This world is the one where 100% freedom is possible - people just need to fight for it.
>Barely understanding what BIOS, microcode and system bootstrap are
I clearly understand what those things are better than you.
>saying that updating proprietary microcode makes Libreboot proprietary,
I don't hesitate to state the fact that proprietary software is proprietary software.
This is Intel's proprietary software microcode license;
"Copyright (c) 2018 Intel Corporation.
All rights reserved.
Redistribution.
Redistribution and use in binary form, without modification, are permitted,
provided that the following conditions are met:
1. Redistributions must reproduce the above copyright notice and the
following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided
with the distribution.
2. Neither the name of Intel Corporation nor the names of its suppliers may
be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without
specific prior written permission.
3. No reverse engineering, decompilation, or disassembly of this software
is permitted.
"Binary form" includes any format that is commonly used for electronic
conveyance that is a reversible, bit-exact translation of binary
representation to ASCII or ISO text, for example "uuencode".
DISCLAIMER.
THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND CONTRIBUTORS "AS IS"
AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE
IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE
ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE COPYRIGHT OWNER OR CONTRIBUTORS BE
LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR
CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF
SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS
INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN
CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE)
ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE
POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE."
As you can see above, intel clearly points out that what they are providing is software and you are not allowed to reverse engineer it and find the malware ("No reverse engineering, decompilation, or disassembly of this software is permitted." is evidence enough that there is a 100% chance the software contains malware).
>they dared to update already broken software that is
They distribute proprietary software and they call it "libre" - lying to that extent is disgusting and unacceptable.
Previously the proprietary version was osboot and the free version was libreboot, which at least didn't lie to the user.
> _already_ burned into the CPU die
Those are HARDWARE CIRCUITS nobody can change - if nobody can change it, it is not software, as it lacks any kind of softness.
I am confident that the hardware circuits do not contain malicious circuits, as that would be too risky - as intel knows that someone would eventually decap their chips, dump the microcode out and find the malicious circuits.
What intel has done is implement a software update mechanism that is heavily obfuscated and encrypted, that they boast than only 12 people know about - you would have to be an idiot to install such a proprietary software update and think your computer is secure.
If the updates didn't contain malware, intel wouldn't have any issues releasing them as free software, or at least source-available.
Of course, I would be glad to install a free software microcode update.
>In this case GNUBoot is actually counterproductive to spreading freedom
GNUboot is 100% free software and thus it only spreads freedom.
There is plenty of quality hardware that can be GNUbooted.
>While Libreboot is better for user's freedom than normal BIOS
For handcuffed CPUs, liebreboot is less bad for the users freedom, but there's a massive issue when you lie to the user that they have freedom, when they really don't.
Liebreboot is worse for the users freedom than GNUboot when it comes to non-handcuffed CPUs, as the user could have full freedom, but they don't get it.
>he'll just play the skill issue card and be done with it.
Yes, you do have a skill issue.
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@phnt @mischievoustomato @munir @waifu @adachi @dj >He lacks the attention span for a bit of light reading.
>I'm meant to be the dumb one.
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@Suiseiseki @mischievoustomato @munir @waifu @adachi @dj Not reading all that. The last sentence perfectly summarizes it all. You are either extremely dumb or malicious and nothing in between.
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@Suiseiseki @mischievoustomato @munir @waifu @adachi @dj I have better uses of my time than reading ramblings and arguing with people like you. :gnujak:
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