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   Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Jan-2025 09:15:25 JST Bread up, Bro
   yes please
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     eee (eee@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Jan-2025 09:34:08 JST eee

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     @sickburnbro call me whatever but deregulation puts money into big pockets and small headstones on small graves
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     ElJewpacabra (jewpacabra@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Jan-2025 11:30:41 JST ElJewpacabra

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     @eee @sickburnbro There‘s got to be a good middle ground. we do need quality assurance and inspection, especially while we have so many nonwhites in industries, but we don’t need endless red tape just so money can go through more hands. what can we do?
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     Heil_Honkler (heil_honkler@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Jan-2025 11:30:48 JST Heil_Honkler

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     @Jewpacabra @eee @sickburnbro support local butchers that you can trust. the one I use is a family friend and I know they always deal straight with us. that being said local butchering is a dying art as it's a hell of alot of hard physical labour. some of the butchers my dad knows have wait lists of up to 2 years because of the demand for freezer meat from local farmers, which is great for them as they don't have to worry about work, but also goes to show how much demand isn't being currently met at the local level.
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Jan-2025 11:32:34 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @vonzeppelin @Jewpacabra @eee @sickburnbro >alternate regulatory body
     This is a super good idea. I would rather see some certification from another company than USDA at this point.
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     Count Von Zeppelin (vonzeppelin@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Jan-2025 11:32:35 JST Count Von Zeppelin

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     @Jewpacabra @eee @sickburnbro > what can we do?
     
     establish some kind of alternate regulatory body, like how some legal cases go to arbitration instead of the court system
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     BowserNoodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Jan-2025 11:34:08 JST BowserNoodle ☦️

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     @sickburnbro Make America meaty again 🍖
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 23:35:32 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @skylar @SuperSnekFriend exactly how pretty much everything works. This is how FDA works as well. Big players get a minor fine or complete immunity, small companies get year long delays that destroy them because "they just needed to verify things were safe"
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     skylar :confederateflag:??? :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 23:35:33 JST skylar :confederateflag:??? :z:

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     @SuperSnekFriend @sickburnbro except in the real world, big ag ignores the rules, the bribed meat inspector dings them for something tiny just to make it look like they did something, they're maybe fined some minuscule amount that's like 3% of the profit they made from ignoring the rules, and then it goes to the courts and they negotiate it down to $57.
     meanwhile the small business gets shut down for a month and ordered to trash their entire inventory because the "EMPLOYEES MUST WASH HANDS BEFORE RETURNING TO WORK" sign in the bathroom didn't have a spanish translation despite no one there even knowing spanish
     the purpose of the system is not food safety, it's to help the rich and politically connected crush their competition under the weight of infinite bureaucratic demands
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     ?uper?nekFriend ? (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 09-Jan-2025 23:35:34 JST ?uper?nekFriend ?

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     It's easy to complain about generic and unnamed regulations with some lolberg meme, until you actually see the actual and particular regulations they want to remove along with the current state and demographics of the industry.
     
     Not sure I want the USDA to stop enforcing certain dress, hygiene, and meat handling codes when Jaun Rodrigeuz, Drevonarious Brown, and Ramswama Sighn are the ones handling the meat I will eat.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 00:23:23 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @SuperSnekFriend @skylar right, and the quickest and easiest way to make headway into this is to do what they've done with cottage laws - make it so maybe direct sales and small size don't need to meet the same onerous laws.
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     ?uper?nekFriend ? (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 00:23:24 JST ?uper?nekFriend ?

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     @skylar @sickburnbro
     >big ag ignores the rules
     So, again, the problem is not "regulations" in and of themselves, no matter who is making them and why. The problem with that particular industry is corrupt enforcers who need to be forcibly removed and all businesses lobbyists separated as far from the sword bearer as possible.
     >"EMPLOYEES MUST WASH HANDS BEFORE RETURNING TO WORK" sign in the bathroom didn't have a spanish translation despite no one there even knowing spanish
     Is that an actual regulation required by the USDA or are just pulling stuff out of your ass?
     >they're maybe fined some minuscule amount that's like 3%
     One of the last major cases of a business being punished was a relatively medium-sized chicken processor in California that knowingly hired children, losing almost $400,000 out of probably a few million in revenue. The company tried to appeal at the District Court, only to lose.
     dol.gov/newsroom/releases/whd/whd20240625
     casetext.com/case/su-v-aj-meats
     
     Not defending this damnable system, but I don't want to hear bullshit like retarded memes repeated ad nasuem and just-so stories taken out lying butts either, just so you can push your pet lolberg-plus political theory.
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 00:40:09 JST djsumdog

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     I had this Chinese roommate in Australia who was from the town where Tsingtao Brewery is based. He said there was real concern over meat in China. A lot of shops would inject beef with water so it looked fresh past expiration, or they'd cut some ground meet with filler products. There are some videos out there on "gutter oil," where some people will pump used cooking oil out of the trash.
     
     I like the idea that the FDA should just be a labeling agency and people decide what to buy and not buy. Yet, you have fat retarded Internet lawyers like Robert Barnes going on about Amos Miller; an Amish person who is being restricted from selling raw milk products. He leaves out that his products got people sick, he was stilling them over state lines, and the local regulators even tried to work with Miller, but he refused to clean his fucking tanks!
     
     Allison Morrow covers the same type of "raw milk" issues, but one of the farmers she interviewed had literally labeled hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of raw butter as "for animals." Then she's pissed she has to destroy all of it because the FDA comes in and says you're not fooling anyone.
     
     The "de-regulation" lobbyist are literally trying to remove country labeling from beef. You want American cattle or Chinese beef? Well too bad, you can no longer tell, just like we have zero labeling requirements for GMO crop products like in the EU.
     
     The FDA lets a lot of stuff get through. Yellow 5 should have been banned forever ago, as well as dozens of other additives. It's not great, but I think the dangers of full de-regulation could be a lot worse.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 10-Jan-2025 00:44:51 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @djsumdog @skylar @SuperSnekFriend yeah, there are obviously people who want to use deregulation to get their own agenda in. I think that's why the small cutouts are the better way to deal with it for now.
     
     Honestly with the whole raw milk thing, I think people tend to be very hyperbolic, pointing out the one thing that they thing will sway the entire argument to their position.