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there were kids that would pay money to have reports written in college, this is actually no different, it's just more accessable and lower cost now.
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@sickburnbro Curbstomp reddit retards, I use ChatGPT and Copilot at work every day and my boss never complained, all I have to do is correct the obvious mistakes and spot where the machine had an hallucination and gave an unusable output.
Using AI is matter of self control, much like knowing how much you can drink at the bar.
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Yes, but you have already learned how to do things on your own. An 11 year old using AI for everything won't learn how to do things on her own. She'll be permanently dependent on the crutch.
I've read the take long time ago that there are two kinds of tools. One kind extends human capabilities. With a ship you can cross an ocean no human could swim. With a wrench you can tighten a screw that you couldn't tighten enough just by hand.
The second kind of tool athropies and replaces a human capability, so the human can't do it anymore. Think how many people would be lost with just a paper map, without GPS. How many people can't do basic arithmetic on paper, without a calculator.
Some time ago I spent an evening on the beach with some fresh college grads. They didn't know how to start a fire. You know, putting paper and small branches at the bottom. They just dumped a big fucking log in the middle and wondered why the fire won't start.
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@BroDrillard @sickburnbro I conceed to your argument, but too much homework is just busywork that takes valuable time from a kids childhood, instead they could be outside, having meaningful experiences and making friends.
And since the real problem is with the nature of the pedagogical method being used, which won't be changed anytime soon ( I would prefer if project based pedagogy was the norm, instead of mass repetition and memorization ). So, to give the child more time to live through her childhood, wouldn't it be better to allow at least some use of AI, even if only for some subjects?
I mean, the only real difference between doing your homework research with ChatGPT, rather then searching on a enciclopedia stored in a public library is that one method is much faster for retrieving the relevant information.
In that way, we were also as dependent on books before, as we're now dependent on online search methods. Which reminds me of the old argument from Socrates, who criticized writing because he thought people would become too forgetful by relying on books to store information.
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Agree, pedagogical methods and homeworks could be significantly improved. Searching library vs search engine is also a good point. Although it's useful to know how to check old books to see if the engine is biased and lying...
Some repetition is unavoidable for the methods of solving problem types to establish themselves in the brain. For physics and math it's necessary to solve problems and make mistakes. It's the only way people can correct and polish the mental models in their brains.
Students also need to write some essays to be able to present an argument later.
We don't need to memorize the entire Odyssey. (it'd be nice tho) But being able to memorize is useful at least to some extent.
While busy work certainly exists, we have to be careful with what's busy work and what's repetition necessary for reasons not immediately obvious to the student.
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@BroDrillard @greenshoots more critically is that there is still a massive reaction against memorization.
There are things that they is no substitution to learning it like the back of your hand.
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@BroDrillard @greenshoots the whole new math is attempting to "project based pedagogy" math, by trying to get kids to solve math problems the way proficient kids do - but you can't do it that way, and we have proof it doesn't work.
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@BroDrillard @greenshoots basically everything we've done for the last 30, and most of the last 50 has been to try and square the equality circle ( or maybe circle the equality square )
The Gifted and Talent stuff was an attempt to make an escape hole out of it, but I think I've read that starting around 2000 they started destroying it for that reason
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I don't know how various methods work. I just can't imagine whatever is being done currently is the best, because the results are not great.
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@sickburnbro It's a radical idea, but the person could just say, " No, stop being a lazy shit and get on with your work."
Bread up, Bro
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