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   Adachildrapist (adachi@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jan-2025 04:42:53 JST Adachildrapist

   • 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙
   @sally
   
   The year: 2029.
   
   I open up my IBM Redhat laptop, and boot up my SystemD/Linux operating system. I come to the SystemD-Bootloader boot screen and select SystemdOS (formerly Fedora linux). The SystemD init system runs, and I'm greeted with the SystemD login screen, I punch in my password and username, and I am greeted with the SystemD TTY, I can select from various SystemD coreutils. I run SystemD-Wayland and boot into my SystemDE. I open up the SystemD-Web browser running on the SystemD-webkit, and run tasks on the web. I remember its about time to update SystemdOS so I open up SystemD-Terminal and run SystemD-update, I run System-run0 to authenticate my identity, allowing SystemD-Update to run. 2000 packages to upgrade.
   
   That's when my SystemD-RSS newsfeed gives me a SystemD-Notification. I shake with excitement, work is being done to finally replace the insecure, archaic Linux kernel with a brand new SystemD-Kernel slated for release in Q2 2030. I can barely contain myself, I think I cum a little. I experience a SystemDgasm like no other. I spin around like a school girl in my chair, I turn to face my SystemD-Poster on my wall of Lenerd Pottering, it's cum stained from my many intimate sessions with it, i stroke the poster lovingly, I stand up and kiss Pottering on his SystemD-Lips, SystemdOS will finally be free of outside influence, this is the greatest day of my SystemD-Life.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jan-2025 11:42:33 JST 翠星石

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     @sally @adachi The stage3 archives alone are free by default, but that's primarily only because they don't come with Linux or much else.
     
     The default "@FREE" license set approves the nonfree Artistic license by default - so you need to set ACCEPT_LICENSE="-* @FREE -Artistic" yourself to make portage accept only free software by default.
     
     All the Linux ebuilds they provide are proprietary versions of Linux, incorrectly marked as LICENSE="GPL-2" instead of LICENSE="GPL-2 no-source-code".
     
     It is almost certain that there is other nonfree software with an incorrect LICENSE too.
     
     Software that respects the users freedom doesn't encourage the users to install proprietary malware by filling the ebuild tree chock full of proprietary software.
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jan-2025 11:42:34 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     > since its free by default
     
     It isn't, but it's unintended.
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     Adachildrapist (adachi@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jan-2025 11:42:35 JST Adachildrapist

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     @sally
     FSF's reason for not including it autistic since its free by default and you have to actively accept a non-free license to install linux-firmware or non-free games
     
     I've used it since summer 2021 and i love it.
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jan-2025 11:42:36 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     I installed Gentoo recently for the first time on bare metal, it's steadily becoming my favorite GNU distribution.
     
     I should learn to install it on encrypted partitions.
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     Adachildrapist (adachi@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jan-2025 11:42:37 JST Adachildrapist

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     @sally
     Gentoo by default is OpenRC so that's what I use.
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jan-2025 11:42:38 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     Open source lolcows don't see the problem with this.
     
     I'm glad I learned runit and OpenRC this year.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jan-2025 11:47:50 JST 翠星石

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     @sally @adachi >No, they did remove all proprietary drivers and software
     The Linux developers did no such thing.
     
     A couple years ago they moved some of the proprietary peripheral software to "linux-firmware", but not all of it and they keep occasionally array-encoding proprietary software and adding it - such added software is only occasionally moved to "linux-firmware" - typically it stays there unless and until it becomes totally obsolete (i.e. appletalk).
     
     Many drivers in Linux are only half of the driver - the other half is proprietary peripheral software that runs on the peripheral device and those drivers are therefore proprietary.
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jan-2025 11:47:51 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     No, they did remove all proprietary drivers and software but there's still proprietary bits that they can't be bordered removing, someone discussed this issue on their mail list.
     
     You can just download Linux-libre, compile it and install it either way.
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     @sally
     Surely the only proprietary part of the kernel is WIFI drivers? The installation USB will have these in, but wireless LAN drivers aren't enabled by default in gentoo.
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jan-2025 11:47:53 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     No, the kernels.
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     Adachildrapist (adachi@the.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jan-2025 11:47:54 JST Adachildrapist

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     @sally
     What do you mean? The install USB?
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     Alexandre Oliva (moving to @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br) (lxo@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jan-2025 17:04:01 JST Alexandre Oliva (moving to @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)

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     FSF's reason for not including it [is] autistic
     
     

     besides the discriminatory language, it's factually wrong: several FSF-approved distros include it, because it is indeed Free Software, despite having been forced by very questionable means into multiple distros
     
     you missed a great chance to write SystemDOS in the og ;-)
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jan-2025 17:06:48 JST 翠星石

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     • Alexandre Oliva (moving to @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)
     @lxo @adachi He was referring to Gentoo; https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html#Gentoo
     
     I don't understand how systemd is so bad, since it is free software written in C.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jan-2025 20:21:48 JST 翠星石

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     @sally @adachi The Gentoo maintainers do not make any modifications to Linux to patch out any proprietary software (aside from one ebuild that has an option to run the Linux-libre patching script).
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jan-2025 20:21:49 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @Suiseiseki
     @adachi
     
     
     > The Linux developers did no such thing.
     
     Obviously they didn't, but the Gentoo maintainers did.
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jan-2025 20:24:33 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @Suiseiseki
     @lxo @adachi
     
     
     > I don't understand how systemd is so bad, since it is free software written in C.
     
     
     It's only free de-jure as it's blatantly and disgustingly corporate in spirit, soystemd is so massive that maintaining such thing would be an unacceptable toll for any free computing community, much like Linux itself.
     
     It's only a matter of "when" will it be forked and re-licensed proprietary by Bootlicker Lennard for Microshit Winblows, RHEL, etc.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jan-2025 20:55:01 JST 翠星石

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     @sally @adachi Linux-libre offers the deblob script standalone, as it works on both mainline Linux and patched versions; https://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/releases/6.12.7-gnu/deblob-6.12
     
     For example, you can apply the RT_PREEMPT patchset and then run the deblob script; https://packages.gentoo.org/useflags/deblob
     
     There is also a checking script to check if proprietary software has been missed; https://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/releases/6.12.7-gnu/deblob-check
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     @Suiseiseki
     @adachi
     
     
     > (aside from one ebuild that has an option to run the Linux-libre patching script)
     
     How?
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     Alexandre Oliva (moving to @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br) (lxo@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Friday, 03-Jan-2025 08:38:54 JST Alexandre Oliva (moving to @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)

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     I see, thanks, I couldn't pick that up from the context
     
     SystemD appears to be part of what I've come to conceive of as a complexity attack on the free software world. programs that are so complex and/or massive that, although the freedoms are technically available to users, they're effectively out of reach. I haven't developed those thoughts enough to write extensively about it, but it seems to be a real issue that we need to watch out for
     
     but systemd is hardly the worst at this attack. what I really dislike about it was the way it was forced down people's throats, the adoption of nontextual files that require systemd tools to read when you most don't need such barriers because the system is down and systemd is not working
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     @lxo @Suiseiseki
     Redhatware monopolized a good chunk of GNU. Gnome, SystemD...

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     Chucho :artix: (jrballesteros05@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jan-2025 09:59:43 JST Chucho :artix:

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     @lxo @Suiseiseki Making hard dependencies should be enough reason to ditch systemd. See how postmarketos had to implement systemd to make Gnome and KDE works because otherwise it's more difficult.

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