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   Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Dec-2024 23:28:50 JST Artemis

   One of the things making it hard to suspend disbelief and feel like the Marvel "universe" is real is how they handled The Snap and people coming back after The Snap.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Dec-2024 23:28:49 JST Artemis

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     The disappearance of a randomly selected 50% of the population would be a catastrophe on a gigantic scale.

     Then having that 50% suddenly reappear, unaware that any time has passed, and presumably believing they own houses and other things that have since been claimed/redistributed, AND there's a sudden need to again feed four billion more people. Like, can you imagine the run on the grocery store when your town's population doubles on size instantaneously?

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     Tim_Eagon (tim_eagon@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 04:33:30 JST Tim_Eagon

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     • Dave Clark

     @artemis @bedirthan I kind of wonder if they had more plans for its aftermath, but then COVID happened, which not only upended their production and release schedules, but would also impact their appetite (as a major corporation) to explore the subject of a planetary disaster that killed millions. Apparently, The Falcon & the Winter Soldier had a biological terrorist attack plot that was scrapped due to the pandemic.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 04:33:31 JST Artemis

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     @Tim_Eagon @bedirthan
     I would have preferred it if they were just like "okay, that was one universe. Now we're going to tell stories in another part of the multiverse." They'd get to keep the same characters but get continuity-amnesty AND with Endgame they'd have wrapped up what came before with a bow.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 04:33:32 JST Artemis

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     @Tim_Eagon @bedirthan
     I think ultimately what's bugging me in this thread is not realism or continuity but that the Marvel franchise asked me to take it as a creative whole where the events in one story significantly impact other stories, etc.

     To me, how they handled the Snap/un-Snap feels like a bit of a fuck-you to me as an audience member for genuinely trying to mentally participate in and envision the world they created. It made me feel stupid for looking/hoping for cohesion.

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     Tim_Eagon (tim_eagon@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 04:33:33 JST Tim_Eagon

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     • Dave Clark

     @artemis @bedirthan Losing 50% of your population in an instant should've caused a planetwide civilization collapse that would've killed millions more. That said, form what they alluded to, it doesn't sound like a pleasant time!

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 04:33:34 JST Artemis

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     @Tim_Eagon @bedirthan
     I guess I find it implausible that, say, the United States government functions essentially the same after the Snap as it did before (see Wandavision, for instance).

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     Tim_Eagon (tim_eagon@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 04:33:35 JST Tim_Eagon

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     @artemis @bedirthan No, they definitely didn't, but The Falcon and the Winter Soldier makes it pretty clear that the existing power structures largely failed the returnees.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 04:33:36 JST Artemis

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     @bedirthan @Tim_Eagon
     I have to admit to not watching that show, but I think that's really the problem. You can't just make it a theme in a couple places and then basically ignore it otherwise.

     It gets mentioned a few times here or there, but for the most part, all of the existing power structures at least in Europe and North America seem not really to have changed at all.

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     Dave Clark (bedirthan@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 04:33:38 JST Dave Clark

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     @Tim_Eagon @artemis it's a primary theme of Falcon for example

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     Tim_Eagon (tim_eagon@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 04:33:39 JST Tim_Eagon

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     @artemis they did try to address it for a while after Endgame.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Jan-2025 04:33:40 JST Artemis

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     I'm not actually interested in exploring that as story material, so I'm not saying I would have liked it to be a main focus, but if the producers decided to make that event happen, then the movies and shows that take place after that event need to *feel* like that event has taken place.

     If that's not the type of story or tone they wanted, they should have chosen a different plot.

     It's frustrating & obnoxious to be asked to believe in and care about a world in which there are clearly no stakes.