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   Hearth Moon Rising (hearthmoon@spinster.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 03:25:21 JST Hearth Moon Rising
   I've been reading postmodern philosophy, asking how we got to a place where putting serial rapists in women's prisons is progressive. I'm reaching the conclusion that gender ideology is NOT an expression of postmodern philosophy and is not compatible with it. I'm open to debating the issues (or changing my mind) if others think differently.
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     LostInCalifornia (lostincalifornia@spinster.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 03:25:21 JST LostInCalifornia

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     @hearthmoon Not exclusively.

     Been telling people for a while now, high school and college social history textbooks go into depth about the cultural shifts of the 60's/70's. They discuss racism, the war, etc at lenghth, but when it comes to feminism, it's limited, usually a discussion of he said/she said rape accusations.

     People are taught discriminating on the basis of race is a real thing but discriminating on the basis of sex is just made up.

     You have to look to certain state boards which censor textbooks for that (and they don't lean to the left).

     POMO was favored by CIA tho, because it destroyed other philosophies. It sounds reasonable, until it's applied.

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     KeepTakingTheSoma (keeptakingthesoma@spinster.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 03:25:59 JST KeepTakingTheSoma

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     • LostInCalifornia
     @LostInCalifornia @hearthmoon There are a few interesting books about this. It's been going on for a while. In the UK too, but not quite as explicitly.
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     LostInCalifornia (lostincalifornia@spinster.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 03:59:04 JST LostInCalifornia

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     @KeepTakingTheSoma @hearthmoon We have a long history of a certain state board with a large market base fighting to make education righteous and conservative. Started with fights over evolution, and then spread its wings.

     Couple that with some recent liberal initiatives, you can see why we're in a real mess.

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     Klimsu (klimsu@spinster.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 07:40:00 JST Klimsu

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     @hearthmoon Not pure postmodernism. That was about dismantling discourses and identifying power-knowledge and so on. With postmodernism, that's all that could be done. Once you had the language, the discourses etc. on the floor, the philosophy offered no solution. To do something with it, well, that would create a discourse. It was a sort of playful philosophy in a way.
     
     But my understanding is that gender ideology came out of post-postmodernist thought. What some call post modernism "applied." Post-post took the concepts and applied them in various areas - post-colonial, gender, intersectionality, fat studies and so on.
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     KeepTakingTheSoma (keeptakingthesoma@spinster.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 07:40:47 JST KeepTakingTheSoma

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     • Klimsu
     @Klimsu @hearthmoon It was a form of deconstruction. David Lodge puts it very well in his novel Small World - it's the last intellectual thrill left, like sawing off the branch you're sitting on.
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     Klimsu (klimsu@spinster.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 29-Dec-2024 12:52:22 JST Klimsu

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     @KeepTakingTheSoma @hearthmoon OK neat! I'll look for that. I got a lot out of Cynical Theories by James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose. BTW it appears that Pluckrose is not a feminist.
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