mcc
As someone who was at one point making an effort to support the previous VR/AR platforms by these exact two companies only to see the things cancelled while I'm still trying to gather information about them I'm baffled trying to figure out the mindset of a developer that trusts this. *How* many projects in this product category has Google announced then killed during takeoff so far?
EDIT: direct link https://blog.google/products/android/android-xr/
Cassandra Granade 🏳️⚧️
@glyph @mcc @tef Normally, when I get mad at a 600-page long switch statement, it's stuff like the pattern matching in Mathematica, not the transition rules for a state machine.
mcc
@glyph @tef *bragging* I could easily get mad at a state machine
Glyph
@mcc @tef okay when you say it like that, I almost kinda get it.
tef
@glyph @mcc if you are not a gamedev then it's easy to forget how *exploratory* gamecode is
i remember when celeste's state machine got published and people were pouting and huffing, despite it being a well defined state machine and not 1800 if statements in different parts of the codebase
impossible means "as much work as starting over" most of the time
Glyph
@tef @mcc "pouting and huffing"? jfc how can even Gamers™ turn a state machine into something to be mad at
tef
@glyph @mcc you need to remember, statements by gamedevs are not to other programmers
they're to gamers, who don't understand how computers work, how software is built, or that corporations have priorities beyond fps
tef
@glyph @mcc when something is impossible it usually means "we would have to rip 90% of our engine code out and try again" or "we can't do that in a portable way" because if they give gamers even a fraction of an inch, they'll never cease whining
mcc
@tef did this in fact happen with stadia
Glyph
@mcc @tef the main stadia news I have been following lately is that it fucked up bg3’s development by making it impossible for them to resource dx12 support, so, maybe? The bg3 graphics devs seem to really hate vulkan as a result, which I can’t quite tell if it’s a technical criticism or just the emotional issue of being forced to put tons of effort into supporting a business partner who then immediately betrayed them
mcc
Glyph
@mcc @tef I get that impression but it’s also very frustrating to hear devs repeatedly say that some dx11/dx12 feature or other is “impossible” in vulkan when, like, dxvk and vkd3d already implement it
tef
@mcc i mean, much like stadia, google products are considered successful if they hamper adoption for their competitors
mcc
I dunno, maybe modern mobile devs are used to a two-month turnaround and a four-month lifecycle for releases (or maybe one-month/two-month?) and I'm just a fossil for being from a world you spend one to four years on making something and expect it to have a long tail. Maybe people who only target Unity and only support platforms Unity supports don't think of temporarily supporting a platform as a heavy investment? I don't understand how¹ software makes money anymore
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