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   cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Dec-2024 00:39:29 JST cjd
   Intelligent meme.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Dec-2024 00:39:50 JST lainy

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     @cjd the stuff people will put up with just to eat keto when they can literally just eat meat and cheese is astounding
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     @taylan @cjd merry christmas
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     @lain @cjd Protein powder is a very convenient way to increase protein intake. Your meals may not always contain the optimal amount if you're training heavy. It's not expensive either. It's usually going to be significantly cheaper than high-quality meat and cheese.
     
     As for "liquid meals" (which I think the left-side bottle represents) they usually have a very good macro and micro nutrient profile and are also very convenient, though they're usually quite expensive. I really like Yfood here in Germany but it's expensive as fuck.
     
     The other four products shown at the bottom are unknown to me, and may be money grabs and/or fads, I don't know. I guess the bottom right is probably a "protein bar" which tend to be money grabs from what I've seen in supermarkets. Probably still healthier than the options at the top, though.
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     @lain @cjd Actually Jesus was really born in... ok just kidding :blobcat-joy:
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     @lain @cjd Meriii Kurisumasuuuu
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     Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged) (taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Dec-2024 01:54:41 JST Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged)

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     > How much lead is there in that powder you're taking?
     
     Funny you ask that. There was literally a lab report delivered with one of the protein powders I bought recently, which listed the detected amount of toxic metals and various bacteria, confirming their non-existence in the material. Not that I expect to see such a lab report with every food stuff I buy.
     
     > What are the machines that process that stuff made out of? What are they lubricated with?
     > yadda yadda
     
     What are your forks and knives made out of? What kind of economically destitute and/or brutally corrupt country do you live in such that you can't rely on basic health and safety standards of the food industry?
     
     > I'll stick to my meat and cheese thanks.
     
     What are the animals fed? How many antibiotics are they pumped full of? What are the sanitary conditions of the stalls? What machines process the meat and milk? How many pounds of animal food (with most likely worse health and safety standards compared to plants harvested directly for human consumption) is needed to provide you with one pound of raw meat or cheese?
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     cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Dec-2024 01:54:42 JST cjd

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     How much lead is there in that powder you're taking?
     How much cobalt? How much cadmium?
     
     What are the machines that process that stuff made out of? What are they lubricated with?
     
     How much raw material is boiled down in order to make one pound of it?
     
     If that material is plant-based, how much pesticide & herbicide is in the original plant matter? When it's concentrated, are the chemicals also concentrated?
     
     I'll stick to my meat and cheese thanks.
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     Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged) (taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Dec-2024 03:43:25 JST Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged)

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     • bonifartius
     @bonifartius @lain @cjd
     
     I'm very skeptical of that. Recent meta analyses seem to indicate that high protein has no negative effect on kidney function in otherwise healthy adults.
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     bonifartius (bonifartius@noauthority.social)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Dec-2024 03:43:26 JST bonifartius

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     @taylan @lain @cjd protein powder in almost every case will be too much and will damage your kidneys at some point. if you train so hard that you need concentrated proteins, you are very likely doing damage for short term fast gains anyway. milk is natures "protein drink" for growth. milk and meat both limit their consumption, just because the body will tell you it's enough.

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     @f0x @lain @cjd
     
     Thinking that protein powder specifically comes from big corporations, while the rest of the stuff you listed doesn't, is a low intelligence moment.
     
     Whey is literally just a byproduct of cheese production. It used to be considered waste. It couldn't be any simpler of a product, and comes from the same companies that produce your dairy, which may also be the same that produce your beef.
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     f0x (f0x@decayable.ink)'s status on Wednesday, 25-Dec-2024 18:12:47 JST f0x

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     • Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged)
     >Your meals may not always contain the optimal amount if you're training heavy
     
     nigger i don't know how to say this but: rice, egg, ground beef, salt. in a pan. it's really easy. you can even add cool things like soy sauce or oyster sauce or spicy things. it's almost like cooking is retarded easy. it's almost like we don't need to "optimize" our nutritional intake "scientifically" (through big corporations that I wouldn't trust even within arms reach.)
     
     >Probably still healthier than the options at the top, though.
     
     you bought the food equivalent of "dude wipes" and felt like a big boy, buddy.
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     f0x (f0x@decayable.ink)'s status on Thursday, 26-Dec-2024 02:44:43 JST f0x

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     • Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged)
     >Thinking that protein powder specifically comes from big corporations
     
     fine, it also comes from middle aged men who take steroids hoping to make a couple bucks.
     
     >comes from the same companies that produce your dairy, which may also be the same that produce your beef.
     
     haha, maybe you should live in the country. Corp.-supplied food is obviously not ideal for meat and dairy (it's a million times better if you just switch to local) but no, a cheap powder that claims to help with bulking will never replace simple cooking, even if the meat being cooked is from a grocery store.
     you're trying to convince people that the jak is correct, and he isn't. he is just happy about the label.
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     @f0x @lain @cjd
     
     > local foods
     
     Ridiculously expensive. You can pay like 10 EUR for a 200-gram piece of chicken breast or something. The factory mass-produced meat is several times cheaper. Similar with cheese. I would buy entirely local if it weren't for these prices.
     
     > a cheap powder that claims to help with bulking
     
     "Claims to help with bulking"??
     
     Bro do you know anything about nutrition? Protein powder is simply that, protein. Like 80% to 90% depending on type; the rest being primarily sugars (up to ~5%), fats (up to ~5%), and moisture i.e. water (yes even if it's a powder).
     
     Protein is made up of amino acids (AAs), some of which are essential (human body cannot synthesize) and some of which the body can synthesize from other AAs. The AA composition of a protein determines its quality for humans. Whey, casein, and soy are among the highest quality, as well as various meat (including fish) and egg proteins. Plant proteins other than soy tend to be of various lower qualities, though pea protein is fairly good as well if I remember correctly.
     
     And protein is what your body needs to build muscle. The amount it needs varies wildly, but to make absolutely sure that your body never skips out on muscle building potential due to a lack of protein, taking up to 2g per kg of bodyweight is a good idea, so e.g. around 140g per day if you're 70kg. It's possible that your body's needs will be saturated at much lower levels (like even half that) but we're just trying to cover our bases and make sure.
     
     It is said that about half of this can come from lower quality protein sources; it's fine so long as about 50% of it consists of high quality proteins like the ones mentioned before.
     
     Check the macronutrient profile of your food stuffs and tell me whether you easily reach this protein goal every day without either meticulously planning your meals, or over-eating such that you can't stay lean.
     
     Chances are, your regular meals will only provide you with around 50-100g of protein some days. That may be enough, or it may be slightly sub-optimal. Adding some high-quality protein to that, like 30g of whey or soy, especially if you notice you haven't eaten many animal products or a bunch of soy that day, is a good idea to optimize muscle-building potential if you're regularly training heavy.
     
     By the way, even if you consumed 50g of protein powder every day, and it contained a whole 5% sugar, that would be a measly 2.5g of additional sugar per day. Worrying about that is not smart.
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     Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged) (taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org)'s status on Thursday, 26-Dec-2024 03:20:57 JST Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged)

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     @f0x @lain @cjd
     
     > You can get that from a normal fucking milkshake with peanut butter "ohh no but sugar bad" it's fine if you use it.
     
     That's at least an order of magnitude more sugar. See attached.
     
     Also, peanut protein is relatively low-quality. (Not to be confused with pea protein.)
     
     If you're having milkshakes with peanut butter instead of a protein shake because you think it's healthier, sorry, that's just stupid. It won't be cheaper, either.
     
     > If y'want protein eat a fucking steak is all I'm saying.
     
     Sure, let's just eat steak every day. Makes total sense.
     
     > Eat good and well without this "health optimized" bullshit. It's just marketing.
     
     All of my information comes from science, not marketing. I categorically disregard all marketing claims and actively avoid advertisement in my life as much as humanly possible.
     
     > Also, throwing a bunch of things in a wok on medium heat isn't meticulous planning. It's super fucking easy to eat well, apparently.
     
     And how much protein is in those "bunch of things" you throw into the wok? If you count it, and find that you reach your protein goals for the day in that way, good for you! If you don't, there's always the possibility of supplementing with protein powder.
     
     > You're the one telling me to worry, isn't that the whole point of buying these powders 🤷? To avoid the "evil" sugars?
     
     Other people in the thread were complaining about sugars in the protein powder, but I see you didn't do that. My bad for misattributing that to you.
     
     > My only argument is that it's not "better" than the top half of the meme. They're both subpar compared to homemade food made with sensibility.
     
     That's wrong though. Protein powder is not a junk food. It's a perfectly good way of increasing your protein intake, on par with eating more meat.
     
     In fact, depending on what meat you get and how you prepare it, you may end up consuming a lot more unhealthy stuff than if you simply mixed some protein powder with oat milk or something. Like too much saturated fat, too much salt, and so on. (I'm not actually up to date on the health effects of high salt so feel free to disregard that if you think it's wrong.)
     
     Of course, you wanna get carbs and good fats from somewhere. What I'm saying is, insofar only the protein is concerned, a protein powder is a very good and quite cheap way to get some more of it than your regular meals may provide.
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     f0x (f0x@decayable.ink)'s status on Thursday, 26-Dec-2024 03:20:58 JST f0x

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     • Taylan (Now 18% More Deranged)
     >tell me whether you easily reach this protein goal every day without either meticulously planning your meals, or over-eating such that you can't stay lean.
     
     On the gold standard whey shit it says 28g of protein per serving. You can get that from a normal fucking milkshake with peanut butter "ohh no but sugar bad" it's fine if you use it. If y'want protein eat a fucking steak is all I'm saying. Eat good and well without this "health optimized" bullshit. It's just marketing.
     Also, throwing a bunch of things in a wok on medium heat isn't meticulous planning. It's super fucking easy to eat well, apparently.
     
     >that would be a measly 2.5g of additional sugar per day. Worrying about that is not smart.
     
     You're the one telling me to worry, isn't that the whole point of buying these powders 🤷? To avoid the "evil" sugars? My only argument is that it's not "better" than the top half of the meme. They're both subpar compared to homemade food made with sensibility.
     
     eating well doesn't take a team of nutritionists and a marketing department.