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   Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2024 04:08:13 JST Charlie Stross

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   • nullagent
   • Troed Sångberg
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   • Mark Otway

   @MisuseCase @troed @nullagent @markotway "Deterministic" in the strictly formal sense is not incompatible with "sensitive dependence on initial conditions" (in the chaos theory) sense: it's possible for something to be deterministic and yet remain intractably unpredictable in practice.

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     Misuse Case (misusecase@twit.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2024 04:08:14 JST Misuse Case

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     • Troed Sångberg
     • Mark Otway

     @troed @nullagent @markotway @cstross >> We know of no physics or chemistry that can result in anything except deterministic autocomplete.

     https://neurosciencenews.com/ai-human-intelligence-25234/

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     Troed Sångberg (troed@masto.sangberg.se)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2024 04:08:16 JST Troed Sångberg

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     • Misuse Case
     • Mark Otway

     @MisuseCase

     Eh no. We know of no physics or chemistry that can result in anything except deterministic autocomplete.

     (Thus you have some who talk about "quantum tubes" or pure dualism with "a soul outside of physics" etc)

     Sabine Hossenfelder has a good video on why she doesn't think free will exists.

     @nullagent @markotway @cstross

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     Misuse Case (misusecase@twit.social)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2024 04:08:17 JST Misuse Case

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     • nullagent
     • Troed Sångberg
     • Mark Otway

     @troed @nullagent @markotway @cstross >> according to all known science we're also just deterministic autocomplete machines.

     No. The scientific consensus on human cognition says the opposite of this.

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     Troed Sångberg (troed@masto.sangberg.se)'s status on Monday, 16-Dec-2024 04:08:19 JST Troed Sångberg

     • nullagent
     • Mark Otway

     @nullagent

     Brains are indeed extremely energy efficient at a level we don't understand, but I was more alluding to that according to all known science we're also just deterministic autocomplete machines.

     This is such an inconvenient fact though so we tend to just claim - without any scientific backing - that "there must be more to it".

     @markotway @cstross