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   Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 22:00:09 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

   The honeymoon period is definitely starting to wear a bit more thin as Bluesky speedruns the history of Twitter. There's a thread where one of the key people behind Skywatch, a popular labeler for content users might find negative. Nothing on Bluesky is *actually* private, but the main thread is marked as only available for logged in users only, so I'll instead link to my replies: https://bsky.app/profile/dustyweb.bsky.social/post/3ld4arouqnc2c

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 22:02:59 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     • The Spritely Institute

     I laid out the general scope of concerns and start of the shape of answers in a document called OCapPub a while ago https://gitlab.com/spritely/ocappub/blob/master/README.org

     The actual work is happening at
     @spritely

     One short note: the "global town square" model is a broken design, IMO. It's also very millenial.

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 22:03:21 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     More or less I tend to think that both Bluesky and the present-day fediverse are caught up in chasing the dreams of social networks built by Millenials, for Millenials, on the hopes and dreams that a "global town square" would work.

     Very "early web 2.0 zeitgeist" thinking. Doomed, IMO.

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 22:03:40 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     It's not that anyone is foolish for taking this route, because of course it's the way we've been, as a global aggregate, assuming social networks would go for the last 20 years. There's a global, context-free space, everyone puts content into it, somehow it's moderated

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 22:04:05 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     I do think that public broadcast of content makes sense to some degree, but trying to make the "global context collapse firehose" healthy doesn't feel, to me, where efforts should go.

     It's fine for people to keep working on it, but I'm more interested in contextual communication, public and private

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 22:04:15 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     The fediverse has a *bit* of a better time with it, because of the moderation-at-borders stuff, but it's wearying and results in the "Nation State'ification of the Fediverse" parts I outlined in OCapPub. Not the right direction either, IMO.

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 22:04:40 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     So what's the answer? Contextual communication, including contextual governance. Building systems, both broadcast and private, that *aren't* a global context collapse firehose.

     More and more communication is moving to private, locally governed chat rooms, and I think this is related

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 22:05:06 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     I don't spend too much time thinking about how to "fix" the current sort-the-global-firehose systems, because I don't think it's where the future is. That's for others to figure out, if they can.

     But there's a lot of *opportunities* in contextual communication! So I am excited about that work.

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 22:05:28 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     Anyway, Bluesky's attempt at separating "speech vs reach" I think is maybe about as good of a job as you can do with this kind of sift-through-the-global-public-context-collapse-firehose system, but... I think we'll see that users end up being not very happy with it. That's my expectation, anyway.

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 22:34:20 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     • Eniko Fox

     @eniko I love IRC and Spritely does have an IRC channel but I think we need a bit more than that :)

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     Eniko Fox (eniko@peoplemaking.games)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 22:34:21 JST Eniko Fox

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     @cwebber so we're returning to irc?

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 23:36:49 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     @rcriii @spritely Oops yes, fixed!

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     Armchair Epistemologist (rcriii@hostux.social)'s status on Thursday, 12-Dec-2024 23:36:50 JST Armchair Epistemologist

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     • The Spritely Institute

     @cwebber @spritely thanks for this thread! In the OcapPub document, second section (AtivityPub), the link in the first paragraph to the standard actually goes to the Wikipedia article for the actor model. Did you want it to go to https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/#Overview?

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     Lando (landodev@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 00:51:56 JST Lando

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     @cwebber When we talk about “contextual communication,” what kind of context are we talking about? My inference is the “context” of Fediverse comms is the “context” of which instance you use and the moderation that comes with it.

     So in that way my mind jumps to the forum model (e.g. Reddit, kbin, lemmy) where content is aggregated and moderated by topic. Would that be considered “context” the way you use it in this thread? In my head this is not a “contextless firehouse” but idk

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 00:51:56 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     • Lando

     @LandoDev Read the OCapPub writeup linked above, because it talks about how the "instance" level is absolutely the wrong abstraction to put communities on

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     Chuck Taine (chuck_taine@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 02:48:06 JST Chuck Taine

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     You do understand that once it is online nothing is private? Regardless of what anyone says or promises. Privacy online is like a front door lock on your home, it will really only keep out honest people.

     @cwebber

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 02:48:06 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     • Chuck Taine

     @Chuck_Taine I guess I don't understand privacy or security on the internet, especially when it comes to social networks

     Could you explain more to me please? Thanks!

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     Christine Lemmer-Webber (cwebber@social.coop)'s status on Friday, 13-Dec-2024 02:59:15 JST Christine Lemmer-Webber

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     My talk is starting live now! https://meet.jit.si/london-guix-meetup