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   Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 19:57:49 JST Rich Felker

   • Rob Pike

   @robpike Any type of control but a textbox for numeric input is inexcusably bad UX.

   Any good browser or UI toolkit should disallow them and silently replace them with textboxes.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 20:31:47 JST Rich Felker

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     • Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

     @TimWardCam @robpike If so that's just sad and stupid. I always assumed they were something mindless UI devs believed they were supposed to use anywhere there was a "finite set of choices" and they didn't want to validate input..

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     Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE (timwardcam@c.im)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 20:31:48 JST Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

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     • Rob Pike

     @dalias @robpike Isn't it an ancient attempt at a security device, harking back to the days (last century?) when there were malware thingies called "key loggers" which could capture what you typed in a text box but couldn't capture what you selected in a scrolling widget?

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 20:34:52 JST Rich Felker

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     • Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

     @TimWardCam @robpike You need server side validation regardless. Client side is just a convenience for the user.

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     Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE (timwardcam@c.im)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 20:34:53 JST Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE

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     • Rob Pike

     @dalias @robpike Yes well, my web site has dropdowns for dates because I'm too lazy to write any decent validation, but at least it almost always defaults to the date that the punter wants.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 21:25:16 JST Rich Felker

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     • kolya
     • Rob Pike

     @kolya @robpike That is NOT fine UX. Fine UX would be interpreting that as a text field that validates YYYY-MM-DD.

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     kolya (kolya@social.cologne)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 21:25:17 JST kolya

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     • Rob Pike

     @dalias @robpike
     all modern browsers support a standard date picker with fine UX: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/input/date
     the problem are webdevs who only know their Javascript framework and have little idea about HTML/CSS and therefore needlessly build their own pretty but shitty datepickers

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     Simon (spzb@infosec.exchange)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 21:45:20 JST Simon

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     • kolya
     • Rob Pike

     @dalias @kolya @robpike can't have that. It would confuse the Yanks ;)

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 21:45:20 JST Rich Felker

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     • kolya
     • Rob Pike
     • Simon

     @spzb @kolya @robpike You could have it as a user preference. Rather than those hideous date pickers that take tens or hundreds of clicks to do what 8 keystrokes could do.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 23:18:48 JST Rich Felker

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     • kolya
     • Rob Pike
     • Simon

     @kolya @spzb @robpike I didn't get it to load to check, but that doesn't work on the vast majority of real world sites..

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     kolya (kolya@social.cologne)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 23:18:49 JST kolya

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     • Rob Pike
     • Simon

     @dalias @spzb @robpike
     You do realise that you can type into the date picker I just linked on MDN, right?

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 09-Dec-2024 00:14:08 JST Rich Felker

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     • Rob Pike
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     • dr2chase

     @kolya @dr2chase @spzb @robpike What's the about:config for it?

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     kolya (kolya@social.cologne)'s status on Monday, 09-Dec-2024 00:14:09 JST kolya

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     • dr2chase

     @dr2chase @dalias @spzb @robpike
     you can set that prefence in your browser or OS if you like and this date picker will use it. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/input/date#:~:text=The%20appearance%20of%20the%20date%20picker%20input%20UI%20varies%20based%20on%20the%20browser%20and%20operating%20system.%20The%20value%20is%20normalized%20to%20the%20format%20yyyy%2Dmm%2Ddd.

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     dr2chase (dr2chase@ohai.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Dec-2024 00:14:10 JST dr2chase

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     • kolya
     • Rob Pike
     • Simon

     @kolya @dalias @spzb @robpike I loathe any MM/DD/YYYY or DD/MM/YYYY format because for many dates (including my birthday, spouse, and 1 kid) there is a little ambiguity. I don't care if it is "standard", it sucks, I write all my US-normie dates DD-Month-YYYY and all my sensible person dates YYYY-MM-DD.

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     kolya (kolya@social.cologne)'s status on Monday, 09-Dec-2024 00:14:11 JST kolya

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     • Simon

     @dalias @spzb @robpike
     That is a web standard, the browser compatibility chart showing it does work on all modern browsers is right there. It doesn't require JS or anything.