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   Working Families Party (workingfamilies@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 03:14:42 JST Working Families Party

   Healthcare shouldn’t be a luxury.
   Healthcare shouldn’t be a luxury.
   Healthcare shouldn’t be a luxury.
   Healthcare shouldn’t be a luxury.
   Healthcare shouldn’t be a luxury.
   Healthcare shouldn’t be a luxury.
   Healthcare shouldn’t be a luxury.

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     cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 06:16:38 JST cjd

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     Certain kinds of healthcare will always be luxury - that is, the cutting edge stuff.
     
     However, mass production should make any drug or medical procedure become dirt cheap by the time it's around 10 years old - just like every other technology becomes cheap.
     
     The only reason this doesn't happen because medicine is controlled by a criminal cartel that is fixing prices.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 06:19:23 JST lainy

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     • cjd
     @cjd @WorkingFamilies by now I think in a properly free market barely anybody would have health insurance. People would do a “insurability insurance” for their unborn kids but after that it would mostly be paying out of pocket like people are doing for most other things
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     cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 06:27:34 JST cjd

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     • loonycyborg
     That is true, but making healthcare as much of a free market as - e.g. cell phones - is not some incredibly feat of anarchocapitalism. It's just about crushing the cartel.
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     loonycyborg (loonycyborg@fediverse.wesnoth.org)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 06:27:43 JST loonycyborg

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     • cjd
     @lain @WorkingFamilies @cjd
     Properly free markets are as rare as true Scotsmen.
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     loonycyborg (loonycyborg@fediverse.wesnoth.org)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 06:41:11 JST loonycyborg

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     • cjd
     @cjd @lain @WorkingFamilies
     I'm not sure insurance model is even fit for healthcare. In general insurance exists to spread out losses from force majeure over a large pool of people/companies but it acts by compensating via calculating damage/loss of profit based on existing contracts. While a person's health is lot more complex than any contract and there are too many subjective variables in medicine. Doing insurance there would lead to awful lot of perverse incentives.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 06:43:03 JST lainy

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     • loonycyborg
     @loonycyborg @WorkingFamilies @cjd you’re on point, most of health “insurance” isn’t insurance at all, some kind of socialized flat rate payment. People think you can get insurance after getting cancer or something, but you can’t insure a car after you’ve crashed it.
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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 06:50:46 JST gentoobro

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     • cjd

     Mexico has a relatively free medical market, and almost nobody has health insurance. Broke people go to the subsidized government hospitals (you get what you pay for), which are not entirely free, and everyone else goes to a private clinic. Prices are low and service is good.

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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 06:52:25 JST lainy

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     • loonycyborg
     @loonycyborg @WorkingFamilies @cjd the point is “after”. It makes sense to get an insurance before you have it (and when you’re young), but trying to get “insurance” after a diagnosis is obviously not insurance
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     loonycyborg (loonycyborg@fediverse.wesnoth.org)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 06:52:29 JST loonycyborg

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     • cjd
     @lain @WorkingFamilies @cjd
     Actually I think cancer is exactly that sort of force majeur that could be subject to insurance. Perverse incentives come from ability to overprice the drugs and other services because patient both has no choice and paying it from insurance.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 06:54:04 JST lainy

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     • loonycyborg
     @loonycyborg @WorkingFamilies @cjd sure
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     loonycyborg (loonycyborg@fediverse.wesnoth.org)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 06:54:07 JST loonycyborg

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     @lain @WorkingFamilies @cjd
     But in such a situation can't blame them for trying.
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     cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 07:00:52 JST cjd

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     • gentoobro
     That's the situation in many countries.
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