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   🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 05-Dec-2024 04:29:00 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

   Under Biden/Harris there was 600 billion worth of tariffs... Trump suggests 80 billion in tariffs... Guess which one everyone lost their shit over?

   #USPol

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     casey is remote (realcaseyrollins@noauthority.social)'s status on Thursday, 05-Dec-2024 04:43:04 JST casey is remote

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     @freemo Wait wait wait, #JoeBiden had more tariffs? Why didn't I hear about this?

     Also, #Trump put some tariffs in place before and I don't remember there being any major repercussions. Did he pull those back? Or are tariffs really that bad?

     I admit that I haven't delved that deeply into the history of tariff effects in the #USA but from a monetary theory perspective it's hard to see how that doesn't drive up inflation.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 05-Dec-2024 04:43:04 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     Im not talking about tarrifs he created, im talking about the total number of tarrifs on the books.

     Remember Biden can always choose to remove or add tarrifs, ergo regardless of if he personally created them any tarrif on the books is one he has oked regardless of if he creates it. At the end of Biden's reign there was a total of 600 billion in tarrifs under the 301 that he has either created or allowed to stay on the books during his presidency.

     Meanwhile trump has only suggested 80 billion in tarrifs total.

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     HUMAN CHANGE = WORK TOGETHER ? (freeschool@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 07-Dec-2024 21:21:51 JST HUMAN CHANGE = WORK TOGETHER ?

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     @freemo Ah tricky word "tariff" and maybe this effects people who hear it without deeper context or familiriarity.

     I admit the word didn't mean much to me, similar to my mobile tarriff which is simply the mobile plan I'm on, how many minutes I get etc.

     But then I looked it up guessing it's obviously something more so it has another meaning I wanted to point out and where it can go wrong sometimes...

     Noun: tariff
     1. A listing of prices for different goods or services
     2. ❗ ❗ ➡️ A government tax on imports or exports ❗ ❗

     Verb: tariff
     1. Charge a tariff

     [WordWeb.info]

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 07-Dec-2024 21:22:57 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @freeschool I think for the majority of the people it doesnt matter what a tarrif is. They simply hear "the other side proposed a thing therefore its evil". Thinking is not something americans do anymore.

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     HUMAN CHANGE = WORK TOGETHER ? (freeschool@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 07-Dec-2024 22:25:47 JST HUMAN CHANGE = WORK TOGETHER ?

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     @freemo Dark times...

     I guess apart from that unthinkingness one has to somewhat anyway "back your own team" or side with who pays the bills... ?

     Not many relationships or structures seems to allow logic or reasoning...or space between people to figure it out using more moderated way... with all levels of management or peers present or just something more neutrally somehow....
     looooool dream world talking there!!

     So kind of I don't blame people, because those that do think (those I've seen and all the net I've tried) they themselves are in a big pickle about just speaking or thinking about how bad it is and constantly very troubled what to do about it (and a lot ignore it).
     So while thinking is good process (lol funny to say that) there isn't much obvious way show by others other than semi-suicide to use your own body as a kind of undoing from being born in debt-based unthinking society that you can mostly ONLY either continue doing the same debt-based stuff or take the hit yourself somehow in doing something #Greta / #Rogerhallam / #Assange style to try wake others up a bit more.

     Aaaaanyway... just on the subject of people in mass going along with evil, here's an interesting video that might explain it well !

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     "Mass Formation Psychosis" by #MattiasDesmet
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     https://pol1.iv.ggtyler.dev/watch?v=erXfyLJfquA&t=14m08s

     #Psychology of people is perhaps not just a modern thing but it's stronger-than-ever today in the mindset and further design abusing it all.
     Not least debt-based systems which result in lack of time from people trying to hunt constantly for negative-math money slipping ever far away from society... leading to not much incentive to think - it's a total loss to some degree, debt only being part of what people don't invest in each other without institution.

     Investing in each other without institutions is difficult.

     People want to feel more "in" than totally "out" in some collective and that is what systems are often planning to do that from those creators/managers behind it who don't really care...

     Would love to hear your thoughts... hope it's not totally way off.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 08-Dec-2024 00:02:11 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @freeschool Those thinkers in trouble are in trouble largely because of how everyone else behaves to begin with. So yes, i do entierly blame people for that one.