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   Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Thursday, 28-Nov-2024 18:39:15 JST Charlie Stross

   Am totally puzzled by all this talk about Thanksgiving Day in late November—everybody knows the right day for Thanksgiving is July 4th, when we got rid of the ungrateful colonials!

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Thursday, 28-Nov-2024 18:44:05 JST Charlie Stross

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     • blueorangeblue

     @blueorangeblue No, that's the one when they nail the Saint of Shoplifters, Santa Claus, to a cross by the door of every Walmart to celebrate the Season of Consumption. (Wear an N95 mask, folks, tuberculosis is a *nasty* way to die.)

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     blueorangeblue (blueorangeblue@c.im)'s status on Thursday, 28-Nov-2024 18:44:06 JST blueorangeblue

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     @cstross I think that you are referring to Black Friday Eve.

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Thursday, 28-Nov-2024 21:02:02 JST Charlie Stross

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     • Travis Mooney-Evans

     @ttmevans The day the American Colonies moved decisively to retain chattel slavery (which the UK was moving to make illegal, from a court case in 1772 onwards—see the Mansfield judgement).

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     Travis Mooney-Evans (ttmevans@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 28-Nov-2024 21:02:03 JST Travis Mooney-Evans

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     @cstross you mean the day the American Colonies got rid of the monarchy, which you advocate for from sunny Edinburgh?

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     ((Jann Gobble)) 🏳️‍🌈 (jgobble@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 28-Nov-2024 21:13:48 JST ((Jann Gobble)) 🏳️‍🌈

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     @cstross Ummm... "ungrateful colonials"? Before the Act of Union of 1707 weren't y'all actually an ungrateful "kingdom" that wouldn't submit? 😉 ❤️

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Thursday, 28-Nov-2024 21:13:48 JST Charlie Stross

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     • ((Jann Gobble)) 🏳️‍🌈

     @jgobble No, you forgot that England borrowed the Scottish monarchy in 1603 (and forgot to give it back).

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 00:08:41 JST Charlie Stross

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     • Travis Mooney-Evans

     @ttmevans Almost a century later!

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     Travis Mooney-Evans (ttmevans@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 00:08:42 JST Travis Mooney-Evans

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     @cstross I think we had a pretty big argument and realignment on that ourselves, as well.

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     Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 01:46:43 JST Charlie Stross

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     • Travis Mooney-Evans

     @ttmevans No, you missed the tide running for abolitionism in England from the 1750s onwards. In particular the Mansfield verdict said that slaves didn't exist in England after 1772. (Scotland took a few more years.)

     Ending the slave *trade*, especially in the overseas bits of the empire, took longer. But after slavery no longer existed in England it was inevitable. And that point of no return was passed in 1772.

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     Travis Mooney-Evans (ttmevans@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 30-Nov-2024 01:46:44 JST Travis Mooney-Evans

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     @cstross the revolt of the American colonies in 1776 was does predate than the end of slavery in Britain in 1799, but Britain had a staged abolition, outlawing the slave trade in 1807 but with slavery in overseas territories remaining legal until 1833. That would cover British territories the Carribean (and elsewhere), as well as the 13 Colonies. I don’t know if individual areas outlawed slavery independent of the Slavery Abolution Act.

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