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   mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 13:21:00 JST mcc

   Bluesky is a proprietary service operated by a single company, but with an unusually good "API" for plug-in 3rdparty tools. As with other sites that previously had "API"s, that API remains valid only as long as—and only in the ways which—the parent company feels like them being allowed to work. https://oldfriends.live/@paul/113541079428044213

   If you read the bluesky developer documentation, you'll find lots of verbiage asserting something different from the above. But I assert my frame is closer to accurate than theirs

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     Glyph (glyph@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 13:21:00 JST Glyph

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     @mcc wow that was sooner than I expected. Bummer.

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     Glyph (glyph@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 13:21:33 JST Glyph

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     @mcc discussion on the upstream linked ticket suggests that they are working on lifting the block, and some data has been propagated since the block started, which may mean they are slowly working through the backlog? Still, illustrative.

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     mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 13:21:33 JST mcc

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     • Glyph

     @glyph Illustrative. Apparently zero malice whatsoever in the bridgyfed suspension. But malice isn't what's important here. The single company that operates bluesky couldn't handle the demand bridgyfed placed on their central service, so bridgyfed had to get turned off for a bit (and not by bridgyfed's choice). Reasonable for a centralized service making a best effort to meet customer needs. But intuitively, if you have a federated/decentralized service, this sort of thing isn't even *possible*

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     egregious philbin (ieure@retro.social)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 15:19:07 JST egregious philbin

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     @mcc It's a safe assumption that whatever power the owners of a social media site have will be used in the worst possible way.

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     Brian Swetland (swetland@chaos.social)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 15:20:33 JST Brian Swetland

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     • Christine Lemmer-Webber

     @mcc Strong agreement with this assessment.

     Similarly, they have open protocols and open source implementations for the backend, but as @cwebber 's excellent writeup points out, operating a full independent instance is nontrivial, and lacking any actual full instances users could migrate to, the promises of being able to "take your account elsewhere" remain mostly aspirational for the time being.

     I mostly hope that fedi/activitypub is inspired by some of the interesting bsky features...

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     sezduck (sezduck@twit.social)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 15:20:49 JST sezduck

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     • J. Steven York RESISTS

     @mcc @jstevenyork The current hype with #BlueSky is a mixed bag. I’m happy to see users move away from X, and BlueSky is 𝘤𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘭𝘺 a pretty good platform.

     The key word is 𝘤𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘭𝘺. Just like Twitter of yore, BlueSky is a for-profit company. Enshittification is inevitable. Users are locked in to the platform and the the company is beholden to VCs / shareholders. (1/2)

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     sezduck (sezduck@twit.social)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 15:20:54 JST sezduck

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     Additionally, #BlueSky does not run on ActivityPub. I doubt it will ever work seamlessly with Mastodon instances.

     We’ve already learned, repeatedly, that corporate owned social networks don’t work. ActivityPub (or a similar technology) that is not owned & controlled by a single for-profit entity - and where the data is decentralized - is the way to go.

     The current challenge is that many potential users find the fediverse confusing & intimidating. (2/2)

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     Scott Feeney (graue@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 15:26:14 JST Scott Feeney

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     @mcc Twitter was also a “proprietary service operated by a single company, but with an unusually good ‘API’ for plug-in 3rdparty tools” until they dramatically locked it down in May 2012 and banned third-party clients.

     I remember that moment well. It led to a wave of migration to a federated, open-source alternative: Tent.

     For a moment I really thought Tent was gonna change the world. Fun time capsule now: https://scott.mn/2012/10/20/tent/

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     mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 21:20:31 JST mcc

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     People observing that this sounds a lot like early Twitter: Yes, exactly, good work, that is the point I hoped you'd notice.

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     Tom Walker (tomw@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 21:21:04 JST Tom Walker

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     • Glyph
     • Jer Warren

     @glyph @nyquildotorg @mcc Whether by accident or design, what it shows is that they can drop the self-hosted PDSes whenever they feel like it (think of eg Facebook and Google supporting XMPP and then dropping it)

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     Glyph (glyph@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 21:21:05 JST Glyph

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     • Jer Warren

     @nyquildotorg @mcc it does not seem like all the facts are in just yet but that does not seem consistent with the folks claiming that their self-hosted PDSes are still getting imported in the github issue comments

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     Jer Warren (nyquildotorg@fedia.social)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 21:21:06 JST Jer Warren

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     • Glyph

     @mcc @glyph this isn't a defense of anyone or anything, but my understanding was that Bluesky's relay couldn't handle their own PDS load and shut off importing other PDSs while working on stabilizing their system by spinning up a larger relay and staggering traffic onto it. I don't think they were just like "oh shit turn off Bridgy Fed!"

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     Arne Babenhauserheide (arnebab@rollenspiel.social)'s status on Monday, 25-Nov-2024 22:05:02 JST Arne Babenhauserheide

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     @mcc Also https://oldfriends.live/@tomw@mastodon.social/113543081076464256

     ⇒ hit a non-distributed bottleneck.