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    anarcholatina🍉 (ramonita@ni.hil.ist)'s status on Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 21:50:39 JST anarcholatina🍉 anarcholatina🍉
    • silberfuchs

    @silberfuchs

    Something that I think was not clear to me and maybe to many more people at the beginning: We all have an idea to not say anything incriminating during an interrogation, but cops will be fishing for *any* information at *all* times, and they will use sketchy emotional strategies to catch you off guard or provoke a reaction. A formal interrogation in a room is 1% of it.

    **Edit**: Details about laws in these examples are specific to Germany, but the general idea and cop behaviour apply universally.

    "Good cop" in my experience looks less like the nice detective from the cop show, and more like a non-cop-looking woman in cleaning lady clothes coming to you at the corridor and asking if you would like a cup of coffee. If you accept the next question will be "are you doing OK?" or "are you being mistreated? would you like to file a complaint? I can ask for a female officer if you prefer." This is a trick. Your emotions are high, you'll be thirstier for support and a bit of fucking humanity than you can imagine right now, and they'll deliberately exploit that to get you to slip more info, about yourself and others.

    So your answer to "would you like a cup of coffee" is silence. If you're pressured to say something that's not silence, you say "no comment". "Is this your first time here?" No comment. "If you don't follow the proper procedure we'll have to hold you for longer" no comment. "You know, I don't really want to do this, actually I'm really proud that young people like you are taking a stand, this is just my job, can we just get this done so you can leave earlier?" No. Comment.

    "Bad cop" in my experience looks less like the tough guy Dick Tracy slamming on the table, and more like snarky xenophobic or transphobic remarks, or punching protesters under the banner where the cameras can't record it, more to rub on your face that they can do what they want than to hurt, angling for a reaction; or flashing a heil hitler from the van when they pass antifas. If a cop shows my gender marker to others and make mocking comments and I say "that's transphobia and it's illegal", I fall into the trap. This will start a conversation and in the conversation they'll have all sorts of *other* tricks to enrage and scare and provoke you to talk. Complaints are to be filed with a cool head and through your lawyer.

    They get you angry enough to return an abusive insult with "fuck you, you bigot"? Congrats, you just did a crime. Furthermore, anger leads to mistakes. At one protest, a cop doing a torture hold on my hand while dragging me around whispered on my ear like, "had enough? I can do much more". The beard of this creep rubbing on my ear while he got off on hurting girls got me so pissed, so eager to be a hero of the resistance, to defy them even harder and prove that pain won't break me, that I refused to show my ID when requested later. Had he not said the thing, I would have been clear-thinking enough to remember that refusing to show the ID, in my particular situation, would just give them a pretext to fingerprint me anyway while increasing my punishment.

    Cop walking with you on the corridor: "We know you broke the Starbucks window at the protest, we have you on camera." You, indignantly: "That's preposterous, I was at the other side of the march, I have witnesses!" Now you just helped the cops figure out that one of the other 3 comrades they detained is the culprit, and in addition they get some fresh new witnesses to do their manipulations on.

    A trick I heard of: Cop: "We have a complaint that you have been photographing those right-wing protesters, that's illegal." (It's not actually illegal to take photos here, only to publish them; it's also not illegal to photograph cops doing abuse; but they often will tell you it is.) "You must delete the photos from your gallery immediately." (This is not a thing they can demand, but they will anyway.) You, indignantly: "I have no photos of them, look!" Cop will swiftly grab your unlocked cellphone from your hand and take his time scrolling through all folders. Cops are not instant street prosecutors and can't accuse you of things. If an angry cop shouts and accuses you of a crime, you don't prove that you're innocent, you say nothing. "No comment". Criminal lawyers are trained to deal with this type of trick; leave your defense to them.

    Want to file a complaint about this type of illegal yet omnipresent cop behaviour? Good luck proving it, it's your word against theirs and who do you think the judges will side with, antifa radicals or cops?

    Mikola Dziadok from Belarus recounts that a favourite of cops who catch anarchists, in the post-Soviet world, is to do 4chan-ass political debate, like "you claim to be anarchist but you do judo, that's hierarchical!" Or for good cop, "in my heart I think anarchism makes sense, can you recommend me something to read?" (Your book recommendation is "no comment".)

    In conversation Saturday, 23-Nov-2024 21:50:39 JST from ni.hil.ist permalink

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      anarcholatina🍉 (ramonita@ni.hil.ist)'s status on Monday, 02-Dec-2024 20:51:11 JST anarcholatina🍉 anarcholatina🍉
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      • rain truther
      • OmbreMad

      @ombremad @schratze (Germany) yeah from what I recall here it's at most 2 days when they can't identify you at all (e.g. people who slash their fingerprints). most detained activists from protests are released by late night of the same day.

      actual crime (Straftat) charges, if any, will come later (sometimes much later) by post with a court summons. and then there's a whole process where evidence must be shown and lawyers argue convincingly that you in particular broke laws.

      of course you can at any point request to talk to a lawyer, and to call the EA if it's a public event. most people write the phone numbers on their skin with permanent marker or waterproof eye pencil, as the cops are known to deny access to your cellphone (and to try to rub off the written numbers, too). but theoretically they are required to find out your lawyer's phone number by name, so it pays off to memorise the full names of a couple criminal lawyers friendly to activism.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Dec-2024 20:51:11 JST permalink
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      OmbreMad (ombremad@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Monday, 02-Dec-2024 20:51:12 JST OmbreMad OmbreMad
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      • rain truther

      @schratze @ramonita depends on where it happens, every country have different laws regarding temporary detention. Usually its maximum length can vary for a few hours to a few days. It’s forbidden by international laws to keep you without charges for an undefined amount of time — so, it also depends on where your country stands regarding international right.

      In conversation Monday, 02-Dec-2024 20:51:12 JST permalink
      GreenSkyOverMe (Monika) repeated this.
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      rain truther (schratze@todon.nl)'s status on Monday, 02-Dec-2024 20:51:13 JST rain truther rain truther
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      @ramonita do you have any info on how this situation will usually resolve?
      Will they detain you indefinitely? Will they provide you a lawyer? Will they let you go but send you an invitation to court?

      Can you say anything other than -silence- and "no comment"? Can you say "I want to speak to a lawyer?"

      In conversation Monday, 02-Dec-2024 20:51:13 JST permalink

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