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   Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧 (jeffcliff@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Nov-2024 10:11:37 JST Jeff "never puts away anything, especially oven mitts" Cliff, Bringer of Nightmares 🏴‍☠️🦝🐙 🇱🇧🧯 🇨🇦🐧

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   • David Gorski, MD, PhD
   RFK isn't a vaccine skeptic. He is an antivaxxer.
   his record opposing vaccines goes back decades before covid started
   
   this 'he's not *really* a skeptic' is obscene. @gorskon documents the history and it is undeniable at this point where RFKJ really stands on vaccines.
   https://respectfulinsolence.com/2006/06/20/from-the-vaults-rfk-jr-gets-hi
   https://respectfulinsolence.com/2006/03/09/mercury-and-autism-foreordaine
   
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     @jeffcliff @1031 @gorskon I've seen his first critiques were on scheduling and ingredients. He seems more into the ingredients and preservative side these days. I'm not opposed to that, but I think scheduling and quantity is a bigger issue than a lot of Science :trademark: enjoyers want to admit.
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     @BowsacNoodle @1031 @gorskon
     
     >I've seen his first critiques were on scheduling and ingredients.
     
     And vaccines. That was the 3rd thing he started doing, just as anyone with a brain predicted.
     
     And in doing the first 2, ignored major actual, obvious causes of public health and chronic illness.
     
     >He seems more into the ingredients and preservative side these days.
     
     No, he's still an antivaxxer and covidiot and has been consistent about this through the whole pandemic thus far
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     @jeffcliff @1031 @gorskon I don't care if he's an antivaxxer. People can be opposed to vaccines and take non-consensus views on health and still be correct. Hell, the bro science and alt health people knew low fat was bunk for 25+ years before the mainstream medicine acknowledged it.
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     @agaperealm @1031 @MoriartyLab @gorskon the cleveland study does NOT do anything of the sort
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     @jeffcliff @1031 @MoriartyLab @gorskon There is no data I can find substantiating the claim that the COVID-19 shot saved millions of lives. Putting aside the obvious deadly side effects there is evidence to suggest that the jabs did in fact have negative efficacy. Meaning those with the jabs became more susceptible to the infection. We will probably just disagree on this topic which is fine by me. People are free to do with their own bodies what they want even if that means injecting inorganic, and even "experimental" substances directly into their bodies.
     
     dailysceptic.org/2023/06/17/new-cleveland-clinic-study-confirms-negative-efficacy-of-covid-vaccine-boosted-33-more-likely-to-get-covid/
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     agaperealm (agaperealm@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 21-Nov-2024 12:31:53 JST agaperealm

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     @jeffcliff @1031 @gorskon I believed the "experts" and never questioned them. The covid death vax made me start asking questions about all vaxes. I would be open to data showing they've had any efficacy at all.
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     @agaperealm @1031 @gorskon It's not a 'death vax'. The covid vaccine has saved tens of millions of lives. And I've seen those charts about polio / smallpox before too --- all misleading. Especially given the typhoid fever outbreak right by one of my family members, this week, they aren't going to wash here.
     
     Smallpox is eradicated, thanks to the vaccine campaign. The graph axes in your graph completely miss this.
     
     Generally: those graphs are what you'd see if you were totally ignorant of what was going to happen when herd immunity level was reached with vaccines. In all cases the chart ends years before the current era.
     In the case of measles and smallpox the rate went very low (due to increase in non-vaccination public health measures) and then to *0* due to a successful vaccine campaign
     
     And is only returning to a non-0 value because of people like RFKJ. And primarily among areas that are unvaxxed, again thanks to people like RFKJ, exposing the rest of us to measles
     
     > I would be open to data showing they've had any efficacy at all.
     
     Like fuck you are. Otherwise you would be actually reading @gorskon or @MoriartyLab or something instead of whatever meme farm you got that from. And you certainly wouldn't be wasting my time with your antivax nonsense.
     
     This is the 2022 efficiency chart for the covid vaccine in canada:
     https://x.com/MoriartyLab/status/1584982459028242432
     https://x.com/MoriartyLab/status/1583149814887288832
     https://x.com/MoriartyLab/status/1583149330474467330
     
     but generally:
     
     https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11399437/pdf/41541_2024_Article_951.pdf
     
     For smallpox you can see clearly on the following chart where the vaccination campaign hit its stride. You don't know anyone who has smallpox right now *because of vaccines*. You can actually read the account of the people who were involved in the eradication of smallpox *with vaccines*. Because that's how they did it.
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     @jeffcliff @1031 @gorskon I've gone from pro vax to anti vax in the last 5 years and RFK didn't have anything to do with it.
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     @agaperealm @1031 @gorskon if you dig into the people who influenced you into that position, you'll find he was there behind them probably. But even if not : that just makes you wrong.
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     @agaperealm @1031 @MoriartyLab @gorskon steve kirsch is a grifter, a fraud and a covidiot and you are not going to waste my time with his gish gallop you're going to go to mute really quickly.
     
     > Autism rates are now around 1 in 36 children (from 1 in 10,000 just prior to the childhood vaccine schedule).
     
     MMR does not cause autism. Not giving MMR doesn't alleviate it. All it does is increase the risk of measles, mumples and rubella. This has been *heavily* documented at this point
     
     > Realize all of this within the context that there are 450,000 unvaccinated Amish in the country, all without a single case of autism, allergies, asthma, leukemia, SIDS or any of the other
     
     Vaccines do not cause SIDS either.
     
     This isn't a blind faith thing. All of this has been documented and studied, you are simply unaware of the research.
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     @jeffcliff @1031 @MoriartyLab @gorskon Maybe Steve Kirsh's research on the link between vaccines and autism is wrong. It seems unlikely, but maybe he is wrong. But, what if he isn't?
     
     Autism rates are now around 1 in 36 children (from 1 in 10,000 just prior to the childhood vaccine schedule). The CDC data from the Kirsh article and documents below prove that autism skyrockets especially in males to 1 in 10 if given the MMR vaccine before 18 months. Realize all of this within the context that there are 450,000 unvaccinated Amish in the country, all without a single case of autism, allergies, asthma, leukemia, SIDS or any of the other allegedly naturally occurring human ailments non-Amish regularly suffer from.
     
     At the very least the data begs for skepticism of the pharmacological industry. Believing that they would intentionally create and sell a product that simultaneously delivers some positive results while also being mildly toxic enough to provoke future, lifetime sicknesses addressable by more expensive medicines and medical treatment, is a difficult thing to get one's mind around. That level of evil is hard for a good person to comprehend. But, the data seems to suggest this is possible.
     
     I was born healthy not too long after the childhood vaccine schedule was released with no family history of allergies or asthma. Shortly after the administration of the MMR vaccine I became sick and was diagnosed with both allergies and asthma. I had to take three, expensive medicines every day for many years but was still getting very sick and suffering from allergies and asthma attacks that left me sequestered in the house for weeks at a time with routine visits to the hospital for asthma attacks. The medical industry then thought it would be helpful to remove my tonsils and adenoids which, today, we know are a part of the human immune system. Great. Eventually, after many years I was weened off all but one of the drugs and was administered weekly allergy shots for a number of years. How many millions of kids have followed this same path? To not question this pathology is nothing short of blind faith and that is a trait that should be reserved only for religion.
     
     kirschsubstack.com/p/over-300-pages-of-evidence-from-the
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     @agaperealm @1031 @MoriartyLab @gorskon
     
     >I independently found a very similar odds ratio when I surveyed 10,000 parents: “tell me about your kids”
     
     this should be a big warning sign for you btw -- a heavily self-selected group of antivaxxers having the same result as an apparently unbiased sample?
     
     :doubt: