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   pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 13:40:40 JST pistolero
   Aaaaaaand...there we go, X got OOM'd. Plus nouveau is fucking up again.
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 13:43:45 JST pistolero

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     I fucking love $current_year Linux. To everyone that looks at me weird when I tell them I'm half-way to just installing Plan 9 and running the Linux fluoride in VMs or on laptops: I'm sorry, you were all correct, it's actually good to have all of these idiot problems that Linux didn't have ten years ago, I'm glad the YOLD idiots have gotten to decide everything, I LOVE THE FLUORIDATED CORN SYRUP BOOSTERS
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 14:14:11 JST 翠星石

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     @p Install GNU/Hurd.
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 14:14:13 JST pistolero

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     It's really great that sound and video and really basic shit stopped working so that RedHat and Ubuntu could make their shit closer to store-brand MacOS. I love that this was also so important that really basic shit like "installing a library" was worth breaking, too. I hate that Linux was a Unix for all of these years, I hate that I had a pretty reliable system for two decades, I just wanna run something that is shittier than Unix, uglier than a Mac, and compatible with less shit than a Windows machine.Ao1Sbm6whnJ7BLjxLs
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 15:56:26 JST pistolero

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     • vic
     @vic systemd, avahi, PulseAudio, dbus, all of which are Poettering's fault, and then there's all the other bullshit, the gtk3, Wayland, boost, a million shitty parallel language-specific package managers, a million shitty build systems, etc.
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     vic (vic@seal.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 15:56:32 JST vic

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     @p "hey you know systemd really isn't that bad once you kind of get used to it and learn the syntax, maybe it's not so bad to have a single thing developed in a vacuum by a glorified Microsoft employee and mysteriously adopted by every major distro at once that owns the whole system, I mean if they wanted to attack you they could just do it anyway a different way right??"
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 16:06:09 JST pistolero

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     • 翠星石
     @Suiseiseki If I wanted a system that didn't work *and* was bloated, sure. There is, as far as I know, exactly one working, downloadable HURD system, and it is a 32-bit x86 image that is 364MB and, being a NETINST image, it doesn't even come with anything.
     
     Plan 9 is a full working OS, free software, and the install media includes GPL'd source. All Plan 9 systems come with source: the installer installs the source. There is no bloat and the userland assumes you are a programmer, so the tools fit like a glove and the documentation doesn't condescend, the userland doesn't patronize, the basic utilities don't second-guess you or try to internationalize /bin/true. There is a common protocol for resource-sharing. Plan 9 is the ultimate free software operating system and it is small enough that you can maintain it yourself if you have to.
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 16:07:09 JST pistolero

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     • MK-ULTRA
     @DiamondMind It is like grocery wholesale. They sell the hotdogs cheap as a loss-leader.
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     MK-ULTRA (diamondmind@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 16:07:10 JST MK-ULTRA

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     @p what is costco and why are they selling hot dogs so cheap?
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 16:20:19 JST pistolero

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     • anime graf mays ?️?
     @graf I already did that with CRUX but for some reason, the "Save" dialog box has started crashing the entire seamonkey.
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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 16:20:20 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     @p Pete brother just install Gentoo one time and save the image (or better yet, make a stage 4 tarball) and deploy it everywhere. Then *never* touch it again
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 16:20:30 JST pistolero

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     • anime graf mays ?️?
     @graf But even the best Linux is still Linux.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 16:21:34 JST 翠星石

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     @p I tried plan 9, but it didn't even have GNU Emacs, so I concluded it was no good.
     
     >that is 364MB and, being a NETINST image, it doesn't even come with anything.
     The version I ran was full of GNU Emacs, GNU nano and a Xorg server.
     
     364MiB fits on a CD just fine, so it certainly isn't too large.
     
     You can only have an ultimate free software operating system if you include GNU.
     
     >the install media includes GPL'd source
     Only the 2014 version was released under the GPLv2-only, later version were sadly released under the weak MIT expat; http://p9f.org/license.html
     
     >the basic utilities don't second-guess you or try to internationalize /bin/true
     Unless utilities can output usage instructions and the license, in Japanese too if you wish, they're no good.
     
     
     Is this god's holy rainbow?
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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 17:04:39 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     @p ill get on irc if you want a vent session since those always help me. i bought some hardware anyway so maybe i should. see you in a few mins
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 17:04:39 JST pistolero

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     • anime graf mays ?️?
     @graf Oh, shit, okay, lemme head over there. I'm watching something stupid happen on the screen that usually has IRC.
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 17:08:47 JST pistolero

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     • anime graf mays ?️?
     @graf CRUX the same advantages. All source-based, easy to hack. I think it's easier to hack than Gentoo, YMMV.
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     anime graf mays ?️? (graf@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 17:08:48 JST anime graf mays ?️?

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     @p but gentoo gives you the ability to control your experience moreso than any other mainstream so it is invaluable to me. 32MB ram usage on poast webserver on boot vs 1.2G with ubungoo
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     :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄 (bonifartius@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 17:17:22 JST :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄

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     @p i had that OOM problem with the xorg intel driver. the solution was to use kms or how it's called. can't really blame nouveau for nvidias fuckery ;)

     the first own install i used was suse 9.0 iirc. everything worked as well or better than today. including printing i had set up using the graphical UI.

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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 17:19:41 JST pistolero

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     @DiamondMind
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     MK-ULTRA (diamondmind@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 17:19:42 JST MK-ULTRA

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     @p 2̷̧̡̨̢̢̨̢̡̨̧̧͈̪̖͖̺͎̥̗̘͍̦͈̤̠̯̰͙̼̩̜̜͈͚̦̼̳̫͙͙̥̫̝̪͖̹̞̳̠̗̟͖̭̪̯̗̰̭̰͓͔͔̠͇̟̘̰͖͕̪̯͚̣̻̗͖̖͖̜̼̬̰̣̜͔̗̮͖̼̩̠̫̝̼̝̫̣͕͓̥̞͈̰̯̳͔͇̖̻̘̰͎̺̫̮̥͓̤͎̳̪̦̼̼̜̯̜̖͚̟̻̜̼͎̟̯̪̞̙̩̼͚̤̬̱̤͎̙̪͕̝̘̻̗͔̼̩͈̦̬͍͉͚̿͊̾̋̈́̃͊͊̆̓̆̎̿̀̉̉̊̈́̎̑̚͘͜͜͜͝͝͠͝͝ͅͅ9̷̢̨̢̧̡̨̨̛̞͈̻͚̬͙̳̫̠͈̦͙̜̪̜͇̣̱̥͉̞̬̗͖̗̤̗̺̱͖͈͙̝͍͙̼̮̬̠̻̥͓͈͍̻̠̙̜̬̱͔̝̞̹̤̙̘͓͇̦̙͖͖͕͙͈̝͙͙̗̖̤͙̙̘͔̝̗͎̹̖̮̫̗̞̠̹̩͎̱̤͍͙͐̏̊̈́͊̇͗̈́͊̉̿͑̏̏̿͂͌̈̓́̽̏̈͗̓͆̌̃͊͌̊́͂͐̌͂́͒̓̈́̀̒̋́̇͆̃̒̃̍̑̿̋͌̓̓̕͘̕̚̕͜͜͜͜͜͝͝͝͝ͅͅ2̷̨̧̢̡̡̢̧̧̧̢̢̡̢̨̧̧̨̢̛̛̬͇͚̖͎̰̯̭̩̻̦͓̦̻̠̣̫̞̭̟̺̳͕͖̹̞̣̱͖̮̳̖̗͚̫̰̯̦̪͍̬͕̖̜̩͙̤͇̺̙̹̖̻͇̭̟̰͖̪͓͖͈͓͉̪͕̺͎͖̟̠̱̗̯͈̘̦̳̙̳̼̺͕͍̯̟͎̠͗͐̑̒̽̐̈́̏̎̃͒̀̑̓͛͗́͛̌̍̂̿̍͊̍̎̽̇̓̄́͆̌͜͜͜͝͝͝ͅͅṡ̷̛̿̒̇̍̾͗̔͋͆͂́̔͑̔͒͊̆̍̀̈́̉̿͑̏̀̚̕͝͝
     _
     ¶×§y–––—–2̷̧̡̨̢̢̨̢̡̨̧̧͈̪̖͖̺͎̥̗̘͍̦͈̤̠̯̰͙̼̩̜̜͈͚̦̼̳̫͙͙̥̫̝̪͖̹̞̳̠̗̟͖̭̪̯̗̰̭̰͓͔͔̠͇̟̘̰͖͕̪̯͚̣̻̗͖̖͖̜̼̬̰̣̜͔̗̮͖̼̩̠̫̝̼̝̫̣͕͓̥̞͈̰̯̳͔͇̖̻̘̰͎̺̫̮̥͓̤͎̳̪̦̼̼̜̯̜̖͚̟̻̜̼͎̟̯̪̞̙̩̼͚̤̬̱̤͎̙̪͕̝̘̻̗͔̼̩͈̦̬͍͉͚̿͊̾̋̈́̃͊͊̆̓̆̎̿̀̉̉̊̈́̎̑̚͘͜͜͜͝͝͠͝͝ͅͅ9̷̢̨̢̧̡̨̨̛̞͈̻͚̬͙̳̫̠͈̦͙̜̪̜͇̣̱̥͉̞̬̗͖̗̤̗̺̱͖͈͙̝͍͙̼̮̬̠̻̥͓͈͍̻̠̙̜̬̱͔̝̞̹̤̙̘͓͇̦̙͖͖͕͙͈̝͙͙̗̖̤͙̙̘͔̝̗͎̹̖̮̫̗̞̠̹̩͎̱̤͍͙͐̏̊̈́͊̇͗̈́͊̉̿͑̏̏̿͂͌̈̓́̽̏̈͗̓͆̌̃͊͌̊́͂͐̌͂́͒̓̈́̀̒̋́̇͆̃̒̃̍̑̿̋͌̓̓̕͘̕̚̕͜͜͜͜͜͝͝͝͝ͅͅ
     ¶×§¶ao _———–—–2̷̧̡̨̢̢̨̢̡̨̧̧͈̪̖͖̺͎̥̗̘͍̦͈̤̠̯̰͙̼̩̜̜͈͚̦̼̳̫͙͙̥̫̝̪͖̹̞̳̠̗̟͖̭̪̯̗̰̭̰͓͔͔̠͇̟̘̰͖͕̪̯͚̣̻̗͖̖͖̜̼̬̰̣̜͔̗̮͖̼̩̠̫̝̼̝̫̣͕͓̥̞͈̰̯̳͔͇̖̻̘̰͎̺̫̮̥͓̤͎̳̪̦̼̼̜̯̜̖͚̟̻̜̼͎̟̯̪̞̙̩̼͚̤̬̱̤͎̙̪͕̝̘̻̗͔̼̩͈̦̬͍͉͚̿͊̾̋̈́̃͊͊̆̓̆̎̿̀̉̉̊̈́̎̑̚͘͜͜͜͝͝͠͝͝ͅͅ9̷̢̨̢̧̡̨̨̛̞͈̻͚̬͙̳̫̠͈̦͙̜̪̜͇̣̱̥͉̞̬̗͖̗̤̗̺̱͖͈͙̝͍͙̼̮̬̠̻̥͓͈͍̻̠̙̜̬̱͔̝̞̹̤̙̘͓͇̦̙͖͖͕͙͈̝͙͙̗̖̤͙̙̘͔̝̗͎̹̖̮̫̗̞̠̹̩͎̱̤͍͙͐̏̊̈́͊̇͗̈́͊̉̿͑̏̏̿͂͌̈̓́̽̏̈͗̓͆̌̃͊͌̊́͂͐̌͂́͒̓̈́̀̒̋́̇͆̃̒̃̍̑̿̋͌̓̓̕͘̕̚̕͜͜͜͜͜͝͝͝͝ͅͅ
     ¶——–—–2̷̧̡̨̢̢̨̢̡̨̧̧͈̪̖͖̺͎̥̗̘͍̦͈̤̠̯̰͙̼̩̜̜͈͚̦̼̳̫͙͙̥̫̝̪͖̹̞̳̠̗̟͖̭̪̯̗̰̭̰͓͔͔̠͇̟̘̰͖͕̪̯͚̣̻̗͖̖͖̜̼̬̰̣̜͔̗̮͖̼̩̠̫̝̼̝̫̣͕͓̥̞͈̰̯̳͔͇̖̻̘̰͎̺̫̮̥͓̤͎̳̪̦̼̼̜̯̜̖͚̟̻̜̼͎̟̯̪̞̙̩̼͚̤̬̱̤͎̙̪͕̝̘̻̗͔̼̩͈̦̬͍͉͚̿͊̾̋̈́̃͊͊̆̓̆̎̿̀̉̉̊̈́̎̑̚͘͜͜͜͝͝͠͝͝ͅͅ9̷̢̨̢̧̡̨̨̛̞͈̻͚̬͙̳̫̠͈̦͙̜̪̜͇̣̱̥͉̞̬̗͖̗̤̗̺̱͖͈͙̝͍͙̼̮̬̠̻̥͓͈͍̻̠̙̜̬̱͔̝̞̹̤̙̘͓͇̦̙͖͖͕͙͈̝͙͙̗̖̤͙̙̘͔̝̗͎̹̖̮̫̗̞̠̹̩͎̱̤͍͙͐̏̊̈́͊̇͗̈́͊̉̿͑̏̏̿͂͌̈̓́̽̏̈͗̓͆̌̃͊͌̊́͂͐̌͂́͒̓̈́̀̒̋́̇͆̃̒̃̍̑̿̋͌̓̓̕͘̕̚̕͜͜͜͜͜͝͝͝͝ͅͅ
     ¶×§¶¶——–—–2̷̧̡̨̢̢̨̢̡̨̧̧͈̪̖͖̺͎̥̗̘͍̦͈̤̠̯̰͙̼̩̜̜͈͚̦̼̳̫͙͙̥̫̝̪͖̹̞̳̠̗̟͖̭̪̯̗̰̭̰͓͔͔̠͇̟̘̰͖͕̪̯͚̣̻̗͖̖͖̜̼̬̰̣̜͔̗̮͖̼̩̠̫̝̼̝̫̣͕͓̥̞͈̰̯̳͔͇̖̻̘̰͎̺̫̮̥͓̤͎̳̪̦̼̼̜̯̜̖͚̟̻̜̼͎̟̯̪̞̙̩̼͚̤̬̱̤͎̙̪͕̝̘̻̗͔̼̩͈̦̬͍͉͚̿͊̾̋̈́̃͊͊̆̓̆̎̿̀̉̉̊̈́̎̑̚͘͜͜͜͝͝͠͝͝ͅͅ9̷̢̨̢̧̡̨̨̛̞͈̻͚̬͙̳̫̠͈̦͙̜̪̜͇̣̱̥͉̞̬̗͖̗̤̗̺̱͖͈͙̝͍͙̼̮̬̠̻̥͓͈͍̻̠̙̜̬̱͔̝̞̹̤̙̘͓͇̦̙͖͖͕͙͈̝͙͙̗̖̤͙̙̘͔̝̗͎̹̖̮̫̗̞̠̹̩͎̱̤͍͙͐̏̊̈́͊̇͗̈́͊̉̿͑̏̏̿͂͌̈̓́̽̏̈͗̓͆̌̃͊͌̊́͂͐̌͂́͒̓̈́̀̒̋́̇͆̃̒̃̍̑̿̋͌̓̓̕͘̕̚̕͜͜͜͜͜͝͝͝͝ͅͅ
     ¶×o _–—–2̷̧̡̨̢̢̨̢̡̨̧̧͈̪̖͖̺͎̥̗̘͍̦͈̤̠̯̰͙̼̩̜̜͈͚̦̼̳̫͙͙̥̫̝̪͖̹̞̳̠̗̟͖̭̪̯̗̰̭̰͓͔͔̠͇̟̘̰͖͕̪̯͚̣̻̗͖̖͖̜̼̬̰̣̜͔̗̮͖̼̩̠̫̝̼̝̫̣͕͓̥̞͈̰̯̳͔͇̖̻̘̰͎̺̫̮̥͓̤͎̳̪̦̼̼̜̯̜̖͚̟̻̜̼͎̟̯̪̞̙̩̼͚̤̬̱̤͎̙̪͕̝̘̻̗͔̼̩͈̦̬͍͉͚̿͊̾̋̈́̃͊͊̆̓̆̎̿̀̉̉̊̈́̎̑̚͘͜͜͜͝͝͠͝͝ͅͅ9̷̢̨̢̧̡̨̨̛̞͈̻͚̬͙̳̫̠͈̦͙̜̪̜͇̣̱̥͉̞̬̗͖̗̤̗̺̱͖͈͙̝͍͙̼̮̬̠̻̥͓͈͍̻̠̙̜̬̱͔̝̞̹̤̙̘͓͇̦̙͖͖͕͙͈̝͙͙̗̖̤͙̙̘͔̝̗͎̹̖̮̫̗̞̠̹̩͎̱̤͍͙͐̏̊̈́͊̇͗̈́͊̉̿͑̏̏̿͂͌̈̓́̽̏̈͗̓͆̌̃͊͌̊́͂͐̌͂́͒̓̈́̀̒̋́̇͆̃̒̃̍̑̿̋͌̓̓̕͘̕̚̕͜͜͜͜͜͝͝͝͝ͅͅ
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 14-Nov-2024 17:53:59 JST pistolero

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     • m0xEE
     • vic
     @m0xee @vic
     
     > What's wrong with dbus though?
     
     FSE's text limit is 16,384 characters. I don't think I need a daemon for a browser to run, I sure as hell don't know why the browser should crash if the daemon is killed.
     
     > Something has to fill the role of IPC
     
     Processes have to communicate, sure. dbus is not the only answer, or the best answer. Sun had an answer and people hate the rpcbind shit.
     
     > to pass messages between daemons and other software
     
     Sit on dbus-monitor a while and look at exactly what passes through.
     
     > that isn't… you know, a named socket — something higher level
     
     No, you do not. For most of these terrible pieces of software, people say this sort of thing, and sometimes the best alternative to a terrible thing is "nothing". I can ask you why you need that and you can say "Because otherwise we couldn't have $x" and I tell you that I don't have $x (or maybe I have $x but I don't want it but shit refuses to build without it). It is an overengineered piece of shit, it is a freedesktop.org bureaucratic nightmare, it provides literally nothing that I want and compels a lot of things that I do not want.
     
     If we take it as a given that a real problem is being solved, even then "dbus is a solution to a problem" doesn't necessarily mean that it is the only solution. There are a lot of ways to achieve interprocess communication. A named socket is fine for Linux, terrible programs spew way too much information down dbus and it's another piece of shit tool in Lennart's open attempt to create a standard that no one needs in order to ensure that RedHat controls the ecosystem.
     
     It's like a DE. I don't want a DE. People ask how you can have a widget tray without a DE. I don't want a widget tray. Increasingly, I don't want Linux, because all of the dumb shit that is present in Windows or OSX is getting added, as if the HCI problem were solved and there's only one way to do any of this. (Joke's on anyone that made that argument, because OSX is turning into iOS and Windows is turning into a shitty Flash website from 2002. Evidently the final word in user interfaces has not been spoken, or there wouldn't be any changes.)
     
     > Even OpenWRT — which doesn't have all the luxuries of a full-blown system, has ubus.
     
     It has that to support the stupid web GUI, and the web GUI breaks if you uninstall dnsmasq, which you might do because the stupid web GUI completely ignores you if you tell it that you already have a DHCP server and you want it to just route packets, and then you tell it to just not start dnsmasq and it ignores you anyway so you have to actually remove dnsmasq. So if you remove dnsmasq then the stupid web GUI actually crashes on startup.
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     @p
     What's wrong with dbus though? Something has to fill the role of IPC to pass messages between daemons and other software that isn't… you know, a named socket — something higher level 😅
     Even OpenWRT — which doesn't have all the luxuries of a full-blown system, has ubus.
     @vic

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     @p been using gentoo since 4chan was in diapers, its easy for me and its what i know just like crux or even plan9 is your go-to. i think it's based both of us can choose to use distributions that focus on knowledge and choice rather than shoe-horned in pronouns in my calculator
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     @graf :bigbosssalute:
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     @bonifartius Oh, this was nouveau fucking up because X got OOM'd because Seamonkey's build scripts were running 16 C++ compilers and they were eating all the memory.
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     @p ah, ok, i read it like nouveau was misbehaving :)

     for me it was X memory leaking because of the broken intel driver. it took days but in the end X had allocated all the memory and things got wonky. was really annoying and hard to debug as it took so long to happen.

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     @p have you considered haiku?
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     @hakui @p and then it was happooning. I walked into the Costco, nodding to the security guard. I walked over to the frozen food aisle which had huge rows of frozen foods stacked up about 10 feet tall, and i put a few ball bearings under the platforms. A family with 10 children came walking by and then the entire shelves collapsed on top of them, and they started screaming.
     
     I ran off and ran to the hot dog area and jumped over the counter, punching the cash register clerk in the face. Then I ran back to the kitchen area and turned over the oil stove, spilling boiling oil all over the floor, and it scorched the shoes and feets of all the mexican workers who started roaring in painful agony. I was wearing heat resistant knee high boots so I was not effected. I picked up three Hot Dog Meals, and walked out, while the customers ran all over the place, screaming and confused.
     
     I walked right out of the store, hopping into my convertible Camaro, and peeled out of the parking lot, leaving a huge black skid marks on the concrete.
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     @hakui @p ready to become a legend at Costco?
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     @p @DiamondMind nrhd
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     @hakui @DiamondMind Yeah, that's what a loss-leader is.
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     @p @DiamondMind they're losing money with every hot dog sale and hope to make it up from somewhere else
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     @snacks No matter how many times I say "I actually sent them some money a long time ago", someone will ask this every time I say I am sick of Linux. I stopped using Haiku when I got really into Inferno, because Haiku couldn't run Inferno at the time.
     
     I have played with it somewhat more recently. Unfortunately, Haiku is no longer meaningfully distinct from any other POSIX system, the wifi driver still crashes on my Thinkpad, and I don't like the UI. 9front has a working wifi driver.
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     @m0xee @vic
     
     > I suppose it depends on the distro, how deeply it integrates it and how modular it assumes it to be.
     
     No, it's how dbus works. You kill dbus and Firefox crashes, and this is every distro I have tried it on. This is intentional behavior, because dbus is designed for DE users and if the Windows taskbar crashes, Windows will restart it. The idea is that if dbus crashes, your session is broken and your xdm or whatever should restart your DE.
     
     > I have just restarted dbus in my Void system (where I even have elogind) — literally nothing started falling apart,
     
     If you are talking about the system dbus, it's the same program that is used to run a user-level dbus. I am not running the system-level dbus.
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     @p @vic
     > If I kill dbus, a bunch of shit crashes.
     I suppose it depends on the distro, how deeply it integrates it and how modular it assumes it to be.
     I have just restarted dbus in my Void system (where I even have elogind) — literally nothing started falling apart, no user-facing software crashed or got terminated, bluetoothd got restarted — that's it 🤷

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     @m0xee @vic
     
     > I have no problem running it
     
     Like you have a choice. I'd be delighted if I could remove it from this system but there are programs that I need to execute and they are tied to gtk.
     
     > on the ones where I can benefit from it
     
     That is exactly my point: I don't know what benefits you mean but I do not think they exist and if they do, they probably apply to things that I don't want anyway. We could enumerate the benefits and I could explain why I don't want them.
     
     > it's nowhere near as buggy as systemd
     
     If I kill dbus, a bunch of shit crashes. That is a bug, and it is a bug that they will never fix. Even with a named socket, usually you'll write code to reconnect if it goes missing instead of fucking segfaulting.
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     @p @vic
     > It's like a DE. I don't want a DE. People ask how you can have a widget tray without a DE. I don't want a widget tray.
     Same here, I have machines that do not have dbus, but I have no problem running it on the ones where I can benefit from it — seriously, among these things it's the only one I have zero problems with. Overengineered — sure, but it's nowhere near as buggy as systemd and it's fully modular: you can easily replace it with another thing and you can even not have it at all.

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     @Suiseiseki @p
     
     Install Mixxx (tm)
     2024-11-14_02h23m54s.ogg
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     @m0xee @p @vic try uploading a image without dbus(it does not work)
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     @p @vic
     I just tried stopping it (instead of restarting) and killing all instances of dbus-daemon running as user — again, nothing special happened, except for… yeah, Firefox — it didn't segfault though, terminated gracefully with something like "channel closed".
     Ironically, I can start Firefox again without dbus running, dbus doesn't get spawned and FF works fine.
     Well, what can I say… It's odd, it's lame, but so is its developers design decision.

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     @p @vic
     Does it have to do specifically with dbus? Of course not, FF does a plethora of questionable things, like audio input not working in FF without PulseAudio, so I have to use apulse — luckily the output works with alsa.
     I agree with you — it should be optional, but IMO it doesn't make dbus itself bad.
     I probably wouldn't even have a problem with systemd — were it modular (and less bug-infested😏), BTW this would fit nicely with your approach: don't need the horse — throw it the fuck out!

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     @m0xee @p @vic (its still on)
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     @dcc @p @vic
     Sent from Firefox (without dbus).

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     @m0xee @vic
     
     > dbus doesn't get spawned and FF works fine.
     
     What's in your mozconfig?
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     @m0xee @vic
     
     > FF does a plethora of questionable things,
     
     I was listing questionable things from Linux, dbus was one. Firefox behaves badly around dbus. I have not been under the impression that Firefox was good since the pre-3.6 days.
     
     > I probably wouldn't even have a problem with systemd — were it modular
     
     The size of the surface and the privileged mode of operation means that you can't have it talking to the network, and Lennart made it talk to the network, then he made it speak a dozen protocols and then he put an XML parser and a JSON parser in it. Webservers give up root as soon as they have the port open because you open the door if you don't, and that's one protocol (HTTP) and it's generally just the server side. But he's got it speaking client and server for HTTP and DNS and a pile of other protocols and it isn't just root, it's init, and it links against so many libraries that a meaningful audit of the code for security can never be undertaken. There is no safe mode of operation for it, there's no securing it, it's broken by design. There's not anything to salvage.
     
     > BTW this would fit nicely with your approach: don't need the horse — throw it the fuck out!
     
     Or, like...if you don't want horses, but you let horses in, people will build around the horses and then you'll end up stuck with the horses until you switch to an OS that didn't shove horses in.
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     @sicp @Suiseiseki
     
     > in a way I don't have to feel bad about hating Unix cultists since it's designers also did.
     
     People doing cult shit are terrible, worse than useless. ( https://www.perl.com/pub/2000/12/advocacy.html/ ) Anything good and most bad stuff ends up with a team of Kool-Aid drinkers, though.
     
     > A lot of recent programs have caught on to using 9P since it's still the best protocol for a lightweight file server out there.
     
     It's delightful.
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     @Suiseiseki
     
     > I tried plan 9, but it didn't even have GNU Emacs,
     
     This is by design:
     
     mushi% grep -i emacs /sys/games/lib/fortunes | sed 's/^/> /g'
     > The Blit is a nice terminal, but it runs emacs.
     > Any mail routed through "emacs" will probably fail without benefit of a bounce-back.
     > $ Editor (vi or emacs)?
     > GNU Emacs comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; type C-h C-w for full details.
     > You may give out copies of Emacs; type C-h C-c to see the conditions.
     > Type C-h t for a tutorial on using Emacs.
     > Gnuemacs is portable except to machines that are too small. -Richard M. Stallman
     > I just want a bare-boned, straight EMACS. - Rae McLellan
     > emacs: Terminal type "emacs" is not powerful enough to run Emacs.
     > Promoting XEmacs from Editors to Red Hat Linux
     > If emacs buffers were limited to the size of memory, it would not be possible to edit /dev/mem. -tb@becket.net
     > One of the silliest things you can do with a modern Unix machine is run the Eliza mode of Emacs against random quotes from Zippy the Pinhead. - Eric Raymond
     > ssh, the emacs of network protocols
     > <jordanb#emacs@freenode.org> I think it's hilarious that you're doing xlib programming and your nick is 'kruhft'
     > The Importance of Being EMACS
     > Stallman saw a problem in too much customization and de-facto forking and set certain conditions for usage. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMACS
     > A security flaw in GNU Emacs' email subsystem was exploited by Markus Hess in his 1986 hacking spree to gain superuser access to Unix computers.
     > For me, the most dramatic example of the progress of hardware in the intervening years is Emacs.
     > rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.1
     > As a programmer, I can make my programs do whatever I please. If I want to autosave all of my documents, I can write an Emacs script to save after every hundred keypresses.
     > Emacs Needs To Move To GitHub, Says ESR
     > To enter the computers, he exploited weaknesses such as a program called GNU Emacs that allowed mail users system administrator privileges under certain conditions.
     > Currently, vim also loads faster than Emacs.
     > Emacs now supports webkit.
     
     :kenbw:
     
     > The version I ran was full of GNU Emacs, GNU nano and a Xorg server.
     
     I'm sorry to hear that and I hope things get better.
     
     > You can only have an ultimate free software operating system if you include GNU.
     
     This doesn't seem to be the case, as Plan 9 is the ultimate free software operating system.
     
     > Only the 2014 version
     
     The basis of ANTS and 9front, meaning that the derivative OSs are all GPL. You can't revoke the GPL, and the original owners have ceased maintenance.
     
     > Unless utilities can output usage instructions and the license, in Japanese too if you wish, they're no good.
     
     :kenbw:
     
     > Is this god's holy rainbow?
     
     Probably.
     ken-yshl.jpg
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     @p Even as a big Lisp nut I still greatly admire the design of Plan 9, and in a way I don't have to feel bad about hating Unix cultists since it's designers also did.
     
     When it's in the proper context of a network it's really intuitive to use, and the way it exploits the filesystem to do everything is genius. A lot of recent programs have caught on to using 9P since it's still the best protocol for a lightweight file server out there.
     
     @Suiseiseki If you log in with Drawterm you can still edit remote files under /mnt/term with Emacs, FWIW.
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     > I don't know — I didn't write it myself, I'm using whatever Void's xbps-src is giving me🤷
     
     I mean, it should be possible to find out, right?
     
     > the about:config preference to disable WebP support, that Mozilla has removed,
     
     Holy fucking shit. The only mitigation against the stupid webp exploit was to turn webp off.
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     @p @vic
     I don't know — I didn't write it myself, I'm using whatever Void's xbps-src is giving me🤷
     The only thing that might be different in Firefox on this machine from the standard issue Void binaries, as I still had to rebuild it because I patch the about:config preference to disable WebP support, that Mozilla has removed, back in, is that it's built without PulseAudio support — I do not enforce it for every software I run, but the flag to disable it is set globally and it gets picked up.