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   royal (royal@theres.life)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 15:03:13 JST royal

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     Ethan Black (golemwire@social.librem.one)'s status on Monday, 11-Nov-2024 15:03:12 JST Ethan Black

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     @royal What does the "burn the evil out of you" part mean?

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     Ethan Black (golemwire@social.librem.one)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 07:26:06 JST Ethan Black

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     @royal Interesting, I'm only seeing this reply, my question, and your original post....

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     royal (royal@theres.life)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 07:26:07 JST royal

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     @golemwire Check out the rest of the thread.

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     Ethan Black (golemwire@social.librem.one)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 15:20:15 JST Ethan Black

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     @CharismaticBatman @royal Well to be clear it is the teaching of Christianity that those who reject Jesus go to the place Hell (or maybe technically the "Lake of Fire" I guess, I don't know the exact theology), and a place of no exit.
     That's what's throwing me off with this MacDonald quote here.
     I wonder what the context was.

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     Charismatic Batman (charismaticbatman@theres.life)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 15:20:16 JST Charismatic Batman

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     @royal @golemwire

     I have a hard time coming up with a concrete understanding of hell, because the only times it's mentioned directly (mainly in the Gospels, IIRC), it's a fairly nebulous concept, and seems to be more of a cultural symbol or a cautionary tale than anything terribly literal.

     But in contrast, the Lake of Fire (into which death and hell gets thrown (?!?)) seems a much more vivid and definite image.

     I dunno!

     I think in terms of a process that purges sin... I believe that's best referred to as grace and sanctification, and not really hell.

     I don't think the bible gives us a picture of any place of eternal punishment being purifying or redemptive, sadly.

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     royal (royal@theres.life)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 15:20:18 JST royal

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     • Charismatic Batman

     @CharismaticBatman @golemwire Here's my guess.

     I think MacDonald sees hell as a process, not as a destination.

     What if God saw sin less as actions we do that offend him because he has high standards, and more as an affliction that ruins our lives that he wants us to be free from?  Have you ever known a sin like that, something you knew was bad for you and for others that seemed beyond your power (or theirs) to overcome?

     God might use any means necessary, even very unpleasant ones, to remove and even destroy sin and its hold on us.

     If we trust God, that sounds like salvation.

     If we cling tight to the sin, preferring it to God, that might feel like torment.

     Either way, God will have his way. Much better to agree with him from the start.

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     royal (royal@theres.life)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 15:20:19 JST royal

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     • Charismatic Batman

     @CharismaticBatman @golemwire Ah, my mistake. Non public scope.

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     Charismatic Batman (charismaticbatman@theres.life)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 15:20:20 JST Charismatic Batman

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     @golemwire @royal

     Same, and I'm on the same instance.

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     Ethan Black (golemwire@social.librem.one)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Nov-2024 15:43:16 JST Ethan Black

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     @royal @CharismaticBatman To most of that: word. Not to be argumentative, but this is a big deal theologically; where do you go if you die rejecting Jesus? Matthew 25:41 says that you go "into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels". (Matthew 25:31-46 is a great passage by the way — a dark topic, but a critical one.)

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     Ethan Black (golemwire@social.librem.one)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 11:19:28 JST Ethan Black

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     @royal @CharismaticBatman I don't know what MacDonald would be trying to say if he meant the place Hell when he said "HELL" in that quote. Since the unsaved "go away into eternal punishment" (Matthew 25:46) I doubt it is to "burn the evil out of you".

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     royal (royal@theres.life)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Nov-2024 11:19:29 JST royal

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     • Charismatic Batman

     @golemwire @CharismaticBatman I think it would be interesting to ask: if this is what MacDonald is saying, what might his biblical basis be?