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nuggerFOR JEWS HISTORY BEGINS WITH EXODUS AND IS INTERPRETED THROUGH THE LENS OF THE 70AD DESTRUCTION OF THE SECOND TEMPLE BY TITUS FROM THE CHRISTIAN PERSPECTIVE THE EXODUS AND THE EXILE ARE TWO DIRECTLY OPPOSITE EVENTS, FROM THE JEWISH PERSPECTIVE THEY ARE OF A TYPE - GOYIM EXPEL THE JEWS UNJUSTLY FOR NO REASON AT ALL BUT GOD PRESERVES THEM BECAUSE HE KNOWS THEY DID NOTHING WRONG, AND THEY GO INTO ANOTHER COUNTRY WHERE THEY REBUILD AND SUCCEED WHILE WEASELING AROUND THE NATIVES
THERE IS LITERALLY NO ROOM FOR JESUS CHRIST WITHIN THE JEWISH UNDERSTANDING OF THEMSELVES, THAT'S WHY THEY EITHER BELIEVE THE CHRIST IS THE JEWISH PEOPLE COLLECTIVELY OR A SUPERMAN WHO WILL DO THE "THEY GO INTO ANOTHER COUNTRY WHERE THEY REBUILD AND SUCCEED WHILE WEASELING AROUND THE NATIVES" THING FOR THE ENTIRE EARTH
@Humpleupagus REMINISCING ON THE UNZ ARTICLES SAYING ALL OF THE HISTORY OF WESTERN ROMAN EMPIRE WAS FICTION CONSTRUCTED AS THE HEAVENLY XIA DYNASTY MYTH FOR THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE
@givenup@Humpleupagus WHAT I MEAN IS THAT HISTORICAL NARRATIVES FROM FAR ENOUGH BACK ARE BETTER PRESERVED IN TRADITION THAN IN ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE
TO SUCH AN EXTREME THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO RECONSTRUCT A NARRATIVE FROM THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL DATA POINTS, SO HISTORICAL RESEARCH SIMPLY PROPOSES NARRATIVES AS CREATIVE WRITING AND THEN SEES IF THE POINTS OF DATA CONFORM OR DISAGREE WITH IT AND ADJUST THAT AS IT GOES ALONG
There's often corroboration between different sources. There are no Egyptian records of the exodus and there are no data points either. So it's completely different than what you describe. It's literally the absence of a "history" whatsoever.
@givenup@Humpleupagus AND THEY WROTE FOR THEIR OWN, WITHIN THEIR OWN CULTURAL CONTEXT, WHAT THEY DEEMED IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO PUT DOWN
MIDDLE KINGDOM EGYPTIANS FOR EXAMPLE PIONEERED A NOVEL MODE OF PROPAGANDA WHERE THEY'D GET WHOOPED BY A LIBYAN WARBAND AND ERECT A STELE INSCRIBED WITH A RECORD OF WINNING THAT FIGHT
They didn't until 800 AD, right after the Torah was written. Then after the jews controlled Israel, they found the dead sea scrolls, which proved that the Torah was orally preserved without error or change for millennia. God damn those jews are smart. 🙄
@Humpleupagus@givenup WELL THAT'S YOUR NARRATIVE ANYWAY NOW LET'S TRADE ACADEMIC ARTICLES DISPROVING EACH OTHER UNTIL THEY DIG UP ANOTHER CLAY TABLET IN FIFTY YEARS THAT HAS A RECORD OF A SLAVE REVOLT SOMEWHERE IN EGYPT THEN WE CAN CONSTRUCT NEW NARRATIVES ABOUT WHETHER THAT WAS THE EXODUS OR NOT AND THEN TRADE ACADEMIC ARTICLES DISPROVING EACH OTHER FOR FIFTY MORE YEARS
kikes are schizo criminals, and their history doesn't start with exodus, read a bible, genesis goes on forever and talks about their history and the generations
The jews were never slaves in Egypt. The pyramids were built by Egyptian farmers. The whole story is bullshit. But trust me... magic baby in a basket saved zion.
@Humpleupagus@givenup YOU MEAN BC THE AXIAL AGE, REMEMBER WHEN THE IRON AGE STATES FINALLY STABILIZE AFTER BRONZE AGE COLLAPSE AND WRITING PROLIFERATES AND EVERYONE WRITES DOWN THEIR ORAL TRADITIONS LIKE THE ILLIAD
@AsukaNeko@givenup@dictatordave@Humpleupagus WHEN I READ A BOOK ABOUT FISHING WHY IS IT SO SCANT IN ITS DESCRIPTIONS OF THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR? IT'S ALL FISH AND BAIT AND TACKLE SEEMS PRETTY CHERRYPICKED
THE SCRIPTURE IS NOT CONCERNED WITH ARCHAEOLOGY, IT IS ABOUT HOW MAN AND GOD RELATE TO ONE ANOTHER AND IT IS WRITTEN FOR BRONZE AGE BEDOUINS, BUT IT APPLIES PLENTY WELL TO US TOO BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO HUMAN AND HAVE THOUGHTS FEELINGS AND INCLINATIONS NOT TOO DISSIMILAR FROM THOSE OF BRONZE AGE BEDOUINS
@nugger@dictatordave@Humpleupagus but the dudes in genesis weren't even hebrews yet they were just bedoin nomads who God was like "you yes you, i'ma do something amazing with your descendants just you wait" and they were hte ones who went "alright i believe you"
@dictatordave@Humpleupagus WELL THOSE ARE PICTURES AND COINS OF DIFFERENT GUYS READ MY FIVE HUNDRED PAGE REVISIONIST THEORY OF THE FIVE DIFFERENT ALEXANDERS THAT GOT CONFLATED INTO ONE GUY LATER ON
@nugger@givenup@dictatordave@Humpleupagus Creation of the world and the moral roots of three religions that have plagued humans for thousands of years isn't a book about fishing. Why cannot it be answered why some things read are to believed and others glossed over? Seems as though people have been conditioned by the hierarchy to pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. That yahweh has remained silent and invisible, completely outside of this archeological evidence you abhor, is very convenient for those who retain power by speaking for him and claiming their place as leaders through him.
@AsukaNeko@givenup@dictatordave@Humpleupagus IT'S NOT A BOOK ABOUT THE BIG BANG THEORY, EARLY STAR SYSTEM FORMATION OR PARTICLE PHYSICS EITHER. WHICH IS WHY IT GLOSSES OVER THOSE THINGS, THEY'RE NOT IMPORTANT TO THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MAN AND GOD. SEEM WHATEVER SEEMS BEST FOR YOU, NO INTERNET DEBATE EVER CONVINCED ANYONE.
Are you a jew? I can't help but notice your veiled derrida reference (inside / outside the text) and your use of pilpul (attacking history by saying it's all narrative by using a narrative to attack it, and avoiding the fact you've made clearly inaccurate statements through the use of rhetoric). This is also the second time I've seen you derail a thread where the a Jewish narrative is in question by saying "but what about the other guy?" SMFH. 🙄
@Humpleupagus@AsukaNeko@dictatordave@givenup THE BIBLE IS THOROUGHLY UNCONCERNED WITH THE ANGLE OF EARTH'S AXIS AND ITS ORBIT AROUND THE SUN ITS CLAIMS TO COSMOLOGY ARE ON THE LEVEL OF REFERENCING THE ANCIENT WORLD BELIEFS ABOUT STARS BEING THE BODIES OF GODS
@Humpleupagus@AsukaNeko@dictatordave@givenup NOT A DROP AND NOT SO VEILED HEIDEGGER REFERENCES, ACTUALLY. BUT DERRIDA CRIBS ALL OF HIS CRITIQUE FROM HIM, AS DO ALL POST MODERNISTS SO ITS UNDERSTANDABLE WHY YOU'D THINK THAT.
OH AM I DERAILING THE THREAD? I SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO THE OP WHO STARTED THIS THREAD THEN. LET'S GET BACK TO HIS ORIGINAL TOPIC BEFORE IT GOT DERAILED
RABBI POT, BANKER KETTLE CALLED YOU A KIKE FOR NOT AGREEING TO YOUR PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS
There you go again. Go to the top, you attacked my critique by saying "everyone is doing it." This is the second time I three days you have derailed such critique in this manner. It's a rhetorical device intended to defend jews. I
Literally called him a jew because he specifically referenced the theory of a Jewish philosopher and otherwise frustrated a critique of jews by saying "everyone is doing it" (for the second time in three days) and then used pilpul to establish his position.
And now he acts like I had no reason to question him. Nugger's kippah is showing.