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   • SuperDicq
   @SuperDicq Worse than that, it doesn't allow for a free market because it creates mono/oligopolies.
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     @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world You don't have to tell me that.

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     That Would Be Telling (thatwouldbetelling@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 01-Nov-2024 23:22:39 JST That Would Be Telling

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     @mangeurdenuage @SuperDicq I don't think Apple and Nvidia, the world's two largest companies by capitalization, are embarrassed by asking for money for their products. Which are combinations of their own hardware plus their own proprietary software.

     Not going to say Apple's is good although for me their smart phones are the least worst to have, but Nvidia is where it is due to two decades and billions of dollars of patient investing in their software. I submit you're not going to see that sort of thing in FOSS for the foreseeable future.

     Nvidia's near monopoly also wasn't set in stone, it's pretty unique in being good at both hardware and software, where AMD and Intel for example are notoriously badly managed ... in general. Not just software, but AMD is notably worse at that. In both cases, a general inability to decide on one good approach and then stick to it for the time required.

     FOSS counterexamples?

     Obviously Linux to start with, with even more decades of investment, albeit with its own secret proprietary sauce of no fixed device driver ABI, which also makes one of its biggest pain points, routine driver rot. But that prevents others from forking just the set of drivers.

     Multi-target compilers are owned by GCC and LLVM. Chromium is quasi-FOSS. Emacs is the best (programmer's) text editor, and there's also Vim for those who like the modal style. Pretty sure sound and video codecs are also largely owned by FOSS.

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     > And the idea not everyone shares your obsessions?
     If only my "idea" what just an "obsessions" then people wouldn't be suffering from proprietary computing.
     
     >that has created something very important, very useful,
     Not saying it didn't. I'm just saying creating duo/oligopolies have forbidden the market from responding to the 5 basic demands a customer ask for their computers to have a proper return on investment.
     -It doesn't break down (needs to be repairable (publicly available schematics)
     -It doesn't loose data (needs to be auditable and repairable (publicly available/changeable/executable source code )
     -Data isn't stolen (needs to be auditable (previous condition needed))
     -The customers owns the product (needs all the previous above)
     -The customers gets a manpower/entertainment multiplicator
     
     And I'm not including generic demands that applies to all product like not being a physical or mental health hazard etc...
     
     Not only if you don't check all those box the customers don't get full potential but it also blocks the market/businesses from being able to do proper administration/maintenance services for people.
     
     >that would have never been done as FOSS
     "It hasn't happened thus it could not have happened"
     Yes please, continue to defend the multi Billion dollar companies who have gone to the extreme to kill and bankrupt people over reverse engineering.
     Please also ignore OpenSPARC that the usual Golem decided to kill.
     
     >GPGPU computing is useful for many things
     I never said otherwise.
     Just saying that proprietary computing is a detriment to civilization because it impacts, Morales (freedoms etc..), Commerce (human exchange/free market), law and order ( the right of ownership, of anonymity etc..) even health be it mental or physical is impacted due to their model.
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     @mangeurdenuage @SuperDicq "re: Please continue to ignore all anti competitive/customer behavior"

     Or maybe work on reading comprehension?? And the idea not everyone shares your obsessions??

     In any case, Nvidia is my paradigmatic example of a company using proprietary software as part of a strategy that has created something very important, very useful, that would have never been done as FOSS. Note if AI is a bubble this would still be true, GPGPU computing is useful for many things, for example TSMC uses CUDA to do some nasty computational work in making masks et. al.

     Not a clean example because FOSS really doesn't have a hardware equivalent, nor will it for the short term foreseeable future because of analog IP that's required for any chip to be useful (the nasty realm when you have to go off chip, even if its a digital protocol on top like DRAM). Although you could legitimately treat that as akin to black box firmware. Still, it's very expensive to design and verify high end logic stuff, see how slow RISC-V progress is on the high end.

     That might change when what remains of Moore's Law ends, things get standardized and companies in addition to TSMC can do cutting edge logic (Samsung can't do that anymore, Intel is in saving throw mode after the "10 nm" botch and its inability to deal with that for years). Although for some time Apple has been the driver of semiconductor logic innovation, paying TSMC handsomely to create new nodes ASAP.