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   Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 22:49:34 JST Fish of Rage
   "why am I being arrested?"
   "breaking the law"
   "what law?"
   "fuck you"
   
   
   ⬆️ "this was a bigger controversy than it needed to be, it was simply enforcing the law"
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 23:04:51 JST Fish of Rage

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     • Birdulon
     @birdulon we are in a position where either the handful of people running kernel development are so stupid they didn't anticipate this reaction, or they think so little of you that they did it anyway.
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     Birdulon (birdulon@shpposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 23:04:52 JST Birdulon

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     @sun It feels like a very rushed and unplanned response to sanctions that were enacted years ago. If you think you were already in violation the whole time, does it really matter if you spend a few weeks to remedy that properly?
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 23:14:23 JST feld

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     • Birdulon
     @birdulon @sun this class of software walks the fine line between what is perfectly legal / not legal to collaborate with sanctioned nations on, that's the problem. If they get angry enough at the sanctioned country they'll crank up enforcement. I can only guess that the lawyers have been seeing movement towards "we gotta super bully Russian people now because the financial sanctions didn't work effectively enough".
     
     Like, why was Babak Farrokhi, Iranian dev, ejected from the FreeBSD project but allowed back in 2015? Iran was still sanctioned in 2015.
     
     We should be more angry at the governments than Linus & co
     :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄 repeated this.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 31-Oct-2024 09:27:32 JST Fish of Rage

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     • Birdulon
     • feld
     @feld @birdulon I'm mad about:
     
     1. whatever is pressuring them to do this (I don't blame them for that, or for them having to obey it)
     2. communication about changes for legal requirements should be transparent as much as possible, and professional. "head dev" framed people mad about this as "russian trolling" which is pathetic.
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     Birdulon (birdulon@shpposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 31-Oct-2024 09:27:44 JST Birdulon

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     • feld
     @feld @sun >We should be more angry at the governments than Linus & co
     Eh Linus' messaging on the topic was very unsympathetic, downright bizarre that he threw in "what, did you think I'd support Russian aggression?" when justifying ejecting maintainers, or at least justifying the lack of public justification for it. If he wants to dish it he'll just have to take it. I don't even care if it was a response to other accusations, it read to me like an attempt to muddy the waters and even smear the purge victims. All he had to do was say it's being done because of sanctions and details are still being worked out, but he just had to pretend morals played into the decision.
     
     I don't doubt there could be pressure behind closed doors but it's a bad look that something so old is being treated as so urgent that they're *still* hashing out the details with their legal team after firing the gun out of nowhere.
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