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   Niki Tonsky (nikitonsky@mastodon.online)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 02:32:20 JST Niki Tonsky

   How to turn the new Mac mini on/off.

   This is not a joke. I repeat, I’m not joking

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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 02:32:19 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @nikitonsky who turns their computer off? Is this a post from the year 2000?
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 02:34:11 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @Forestofenchantment @nikitonsky fan noise? Is this a post from the year 2000?
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     Forest of Enchantment (forestofenchantment@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 02:34:12 JST Forest of Enchantment

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     @lain @nikitonsky Us autists who can't bear fan sounds without headphones on.
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     Forest of Enchantment (forestofenchantment@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 02:37:49 JST Forest of Enchantment

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     @lain @nikitonsky Yes. Anything besides Noctuas are too loud for me. Always spend a ton having them replaced with the brown goobers.
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     sapphire (sapphire@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 02:42:54 JST sapphire

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     @lain @nikitonsky I shut my windows machine down because I have it autistically set up and it only has FULL BLASTU 9000 MONITORU MODEU or off
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     I am Water (slicerdicer@friedcheese.us)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 02:50:10 JST I am Water

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     @lain @nikitonsky Did you try turning off and back on again??
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 02:55:07 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     • Datenegassie
     @Datenegassie everybody has
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     Datenegassie (datenegassie@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 02:55:09 JST Datenegassie

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

     @lain Do you leave your computer powered on 24/7???

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     Bloodytailspike (monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 02:55:38 JST Bloodytailspike

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     @lain @nikitonsky I do. Sometimes multiple times a day.
     When I'm done, I turn it off.
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 02:55:38 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     • Bloodytailspike
     @monsterislandcolonizer @nikitonsky post nut clarity
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 03:02:55 JST feld

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     • Datenegassie
     @lain @Datenegassie I haven't intentionally turned a computer off unless I was doing hardware maintenance for like 20 years
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     Cybarbie (nf3xn@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 04:25:13 JST Cybarbie

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     @feld @lain @Datenegassie It is recommended to semi-regularly cycle your device to counter malware that lacks persistence.

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 04:25:13 JST feld

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     @nf3xn @lain @Datenegassie I just don't install malware 🤷
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 04:25:36 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @nf3xn @feld @Datenegassie I just buy a new Mac every year
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 04:25:54 JST feld

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     @lain @Datenegassie @nf3xn that solves the hardware persistence issue, let the next sucker deal with it
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 04:58:27 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     • Un Bourguignon 🇪🇺🇺🇦 :firedoge:
     • Datenegassie
     @BM_Bourguignon @Datenegassie there are enough octets in those machines that they can work in shifts
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     Un Bourguignon 🇪🇺🇺🇦 :firedoge: (bm_bourguignon@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 04:58:28 JST Un Bourguignon 🇪🇺🇺🇦 :firedoge:

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     @lain
     No. Every computer needs to be piwered down because tey aren't buid to run h24.
     @Datenegassie

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     🏳️‍🌈 PRIDE IS EVERY DAY 🏳️‍🌈 (tetronimike@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 05:49:20 JST 🏳️‍🌈 PRIDE IS EVERY DAY 🏳️‍🌈

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

     @lain @nikitonsky me actually! The only computers I leave on are a pair of super basic servers, everything else gets shut down when I'm done. I don't even use hibernate, to the point where I disabled that functions on my main PC!

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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 06:22:34 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @harryornot @Datenegassie but I believe it
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     Killroy (harryornot@toot.community)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 06:22:37 JST Killroy

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     @lain @Datenegassie that’s bullshit.

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     The MILF Messiah (lunarised@whinge.town)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 17:38:51 JST The MILF Messiah

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     @nikitonsky I don't see the problem? Most people don't turn their computers off anymore from my experience
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 23:03:48 JST feld

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     @ManniCalavera @dotstdy @leobm @lain @Datenegassie @nikitonsky sleep and hibernation modes exist on machines that are not laptops. It's okay. Just leave it on.
     
     It's not even impacting our entire usage as a nation. Our efficiency gains have been outpacing our increased consumption.
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     ManniCalavera (mannicalavera@openbiblio.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 23:03:52 JST ManniCalavera

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     @dotstdy @leobm @feld @lain @Datenegassie @nikitonsky
     I am feeling I am coming off too apodictic. When I am working three hours, and have a pause, and am certain I will continue work, I am leaving it on.
     I just could not stand the "I never turn it off, Apple is right"-sentiment that was building here.

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     Josh Simmons (dotstdy@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 23:03:54 JST Josh Simmons

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     @ManniCalavera @leobm @feld @lain @Datenegassie @nikitonsky why?

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     ManniCalavera (mannicalavera@openbiblio.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 23:03:54 JST ManniCalavera

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     @dotstdy @leobm @feld @lain @Datenegassie @nikitonsky
     Because I don't use them in that time. The question is why I should keep something running when I am not using it. The "lost time" for startup is negligible with a modern system.

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     ManniCalavera (mannicalavera@openbiblio.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 23:03:56 JST ManniCalavera

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     @dotstdy @leobm @feld @lain @Datenegassie @nikitonsky
     I turn multiple PCs and Laptops on and off multiple times a day.

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     Josh Simmons (dotstdy@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 23:03:57 JST Josh Simmons

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     @leobm @feld @lain @Datenegassie @nikitonsky Taking that value as an example, it would mean that your home is drawing a bit under 50W continuously for electronics in standby mode. A Mac mini drawing 0.5W (this is the actual specs of the device, turning it off reduces this to 0.1W) in sleep mode isn't going to impact that. Multiplying the other way, the yearly power draw of a Mac Mini always on in sleep mode is approximately 4.4kWh / year.

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     Felix 🇺🇦🚴‍♂️ (leobm@norden.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Oct-2024 23:03:58 JST Felix 🇺🇦🚴‍♂️

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     @feld @lain @Datenegassie
     Anyway, a Mac mini consumes about 1 watt of power in sleep mode. Not so much.

     Edit: The question is whether we can afford to waste energy? In Germany, an average household consumes around ca. 360 kWh a year just for standby appliances.

     But I have to admit that I almost always switch my notebook to sleep mode too. @nikitonsky

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 31-Oct-2024 00:15:53 JST feld

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     • Felix 🇺🇦🚴‍♂️
     @leobm USA electricity production has been almost flat since early 2000s, so all our datacenters and electronics have done nothing to our overall base load demand until very very recently. Of course demand has moved around the country as factories disappeared and datacenters etc have been built, but as a whole it has been nothing
     
     I'd grab the latest graph off the EIA site but I'm lazy
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     Felix 🇺🇦🚴‍♂️ (leobm@norden.social)'s status on Thursday, 31-Oct-2024 00:15:54 JST Felix 🇺🇦🚴‍♂️

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     @feld The annual electricity consumption of standby appliances in Germany is estimated at over approx. 10 TWh. That's around 4,340,000 tonnes of CO2, if you calculate with 434 g CO2/kWh. Ok, we already generate a large proportion of our electricity from renewable energy sources (But, the average CO2 emissions for grid electricity in Germany are now estimated 326 g CO2/kWh, due to renewables), but that leaves quite a chunk left over. And electricity consumption is still on the rise.