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   iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 00:38:29 JST iced depresso
   the awkward nature of showing off only your greatest hits, vs just showing everything.
   
   i think the latter is more human. the former makes people really sad because they start thinking pro's are just factories of perfect works 24/7 and in reality.. they fail a lot. :blobcatgoogly:
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 00:38:47 JST iced depresso

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     old starcraft adage: the pro has lost more games than you've played :blobcatsleepless:
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 00:46:47 JST iced depresso

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     @koakuma some people don't have executive dysfunction :blobcatovo:
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     Sun Microdevil Pte Ltd (koakuma@uwu.social)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 00:46:49 JST Sun Microdevil Pte Ltd

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     @icedquinn How does one gather the required amount of spoons to play, much less lose, that many times? :cirnothinking:

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 00:48:32 JST iced depresso

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     @s8n @koakuma i dont understand why people trust businessmen with money. the more businessmen i meet the more its obvious they are subhuman intellects, just very charismatic.
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     @icedquinn @koakuma all the corporations have it
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 00:54:06 JST iced depresso

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     @koakuma if you want to be the best you have to overfit to the problem, yes.
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     Sun Microdevil Pte Ltd (koakuma@uwu.social)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 00:54:07 JST Sun Microdevil Pte Ltd

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     @icedquinn So can't help it if you're the low-spoon-storage type people then :akkosad:

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 00:54:46 JST iced depresso

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     @koakuma or the college grading scale
     C <- you bothered to read the book
     B <- you even studied it
     A <- overfit to test
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     Sun Microdevil Pte Ltd (koakuma@uwu.social)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 01:06:47 JST Sun Microdevil Pte Ltd

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     @icedquinn But my question is intended as a more general one too

     Everyone knows that The Secret to Success™ is a lot of practice, yet the discourse on how to gather the required spoons to do the sessions itself is basically nowhere
     People just kinda assume that one can conjure the spoons out of thin air, but as far as I understand it that is not true too

     So from here it just feels rather absurd; as much as people like to say that innate talent is "bullshit", so to say, for all I know some people really have the innate talent to gather and store a lot of spoons quickly, meanwhile I'm cursed with a slow, low-storage spoon collecting system :02lurk:

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 01:07:15 JST iced depresso

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     @koakuma innate talent exists but people give it too much credit. if you throw enough randomly initialized neural networks out there, some of them will be more suited to a given task than others.
     
     they're still omnicomputers it's not like you can't teach them to do it anyway.
     
     it does take persistence, and its deliberate practice not 'just' practice hours. 1,000 hours of the same task doesn't do much (i would know, i did the thousand cube drawing challenge.)
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 01:15:32 JST iced depresso

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     @koakuma one of the greeks talked about that but the answer is basically 'just do it.' don't quite recall his name
     
     has to do with subjecting yourself to tedium on purpose, like any other skillset.
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     Sun Microdevil Pte Ltd (koakuma@uwu.social)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 01:15:33 JST Sun Microdevil Pte Ltd

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     @icedquinn Yes, but I'm referring not to the (direct) talent in doing the thing itself, but the (meta) talent in collecting spoons so you may endure a lot more practice session in the thing

     I dunno if there's a way to train that (i.e the spoon collection system), but one thing I'm pretty sure of is that I haven't seen many, if any, people talking about it

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 02:08:08 JST iced depresso

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     @koakuma @tlapka yeah i'm aware of spoon theory :neocat_woozy:
     
     for the most part there is no 'comfortable' way to deal with limitations. studying / penances always suck and the only real advice people came up with throughout time is to just cope with the pain.
     
     the other part is narrowing scope down to something manageable. if you're constantly dealing with 'drowning*' tasks you have to outsource or abandon the things that are generating them. the social business books talk about the need to say 'no' to things and be very selective about 'yes.'
     
     for low spoon people you probably have to figure out how to abort or outsource more than someone else
     
     * started to label some tasks as 'drowning' because you have to do them just to maintain status quo; there is probably a better name. i think i was going to call them 'above-water' once
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     Sun Microdevil Pte Ltd (koakuma@uwu.social)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 02:08:09 JST Sun Microdevil Pte Ltd

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     @tlapka @icedquinn Dunno, maybe
     But still I feel like cursed with not big of a drive to do anything at all lole

     Like a lot of time needed for me to recharge that spark so that I feel like doing something again, if that makes things clear :akkoderp:

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     Tlapka (Arknights) (tlapka@ak.kawen.space)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 02:08:10 JST Tlapka (Arknights)

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     @koakuma @icedquinn isn't the whole point of the spoons metaphor that you, you know, wake up with a limited amount of em every day and have to learn to manage what you're spending them on
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 02:08:50 JST iced depresso

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     @koakuma @tlapka for me personally i saw what you had to do to be good at starcraft, saw the pros weren't actually enjoying the game, and noped out.
     
     music and synths are more fun (although i still don't play them much these days.)
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 02:10:33 JST iced depresso

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     @koakuma @tlapka if they are stuff you still want to do after all the filtering, you're supposed to make / get involved with a small council of people you can trust to say no (napoleon hill) these are the people that you listen to when they say you drew the girl wrong
     
     you can be callous to the world writ large, and most artists are, but you better pick the right people and listen to the small council so you don't become a Pagliarilo who is blind to his own ineptitude and publicly celebrates being an incompetent writer for the studio
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 02:15:02 JST iced depresso

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     @neo its mostly about memorizing cheeses and hard counters at the bronze level.
     
     you don't get to the 'fun' until upper diamond / master level.
     
     @tlapka @koakuma
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     neo@shork.comfysnug.space's status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 02:15:03 JST neo

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     People will always remove the fun from (game) in order to improve (skill). Unless you're trying to """go pro""", just play for fun.
     
     @koakuma@uwu.social @tlapka@ak.kawen.space

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 02:16:54 JST iced depresso

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     @neo @koakuma @tlapka
     bronze <- memorize cheeses and counters
     silver <- memorize unit counter matrices
     gold <- memorize the team liquid wiki
     diamond <- cheeky stuff sometimes allowed here
     master <- mind games and fun goes here
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 02:17:49 JST iced depresso

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     @neo @tlapka @koakuma most people don't enjoy getting curbstomped 24/7, and unfortunately that's whats in store for noobs in strategy games
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     neo@shork.comfysnug.space's status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 02:17:50 JST neo

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     you can have fun at any level you want to, just play the game
     
     @tlapka@ak.kawen.space @koakuma@uwu.social

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 02:19:46 JST iced depresso

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     @neo @tlapka @koakuma tournament winning game designers agree with what i said, so its w/e
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     neo@shork.comfysnug.space's status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 02:19:47 JST neo

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     @icedquinn@blob.cat
     your brain is being mean to you, tell it to fuck off
     
     @tlapka@ak.kawen.space @koakuma@uwu.social

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     neo@shork.comfysnug.space's status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 02:25:29 JST neo

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     @icedquinn@blob.cat
     The opinion of people who have removed fun from their game is of little relevance to whether or not you're having fun.
     
     I would hazard a guess that most people that play SC2 don't even touch multiplayer; they do co-ops and custom maps exclusively because they're there to have fun.
     
     @tlapka@ak.kawen.space @koakuma@uwu.social

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 02:25:29 JST iced depresso

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     @neo
     > removed fun from the game
     that's not what he does. sirlin became a world champion in a fighting game and now designs card games that specifically try to omit the dumb execution taxes that filter everyone out of the games.
     
     > multiplayer
     yes statistically most gamers are single player. however, op is talking about managing spoon levels with self improvement which notoriously consumes lots of spoons.
     
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 06:44:44 JST iced depresso

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     @tlapka @neo @koakuma i just call it the face rake method because it relies on stepping on an infinite amount of rakes to get better.
     
     its a method that works given enough hits to the face but i always hated every time the math teacher said "guess and check."
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     Tlapka (Arknights) (tlapka@ak.kawen.space)'s status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 06:44:45 JST Tlapka (Arknights)

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     @neo @icedquinn @koakuma i knew that if i responded making that absolute nitpick i'd inevitably end up in a hellthread but I guess I did it anyway so I must stand by my decision and not immediately act as if I regret it
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     neo@shork.comfysnug.space's status on Sunday, 27-Oct-2024 06:44:46 JST neo

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     @icedquinn@blob.cat
     I have my own personal experience with almost exactly the same thing, achieving ranking(s) in starcraft 2, as said above.
     
     None of the mental overhead you're performing was necessary for me to make it to platinum rank. I simply played the game. I reviewed replays. I sought advice and did my best to incorporate feedback.
     
     You know what I didn't do? I didn't throw away 2 spoons when 1 would suffice. I didn't tell myself I had to memorize every counter, the TL wiki, or whatever other subjective thing someone that isn't me says is necessary.
     
     You are faking yourself out in regards to enjoying something, and wasting spoons while doing so. At least, that is my opinion.
     
     
     
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