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   Cum Vampire (divinekestrel@chaosfem.tw)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Oct-2024 22:53:53 JST Cum Vampire

   White second wave feminists will condemn you for dressing sexy because it’s just a creation for the male gaze and be wearing a pant suit and reading Lean In.

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     carl marks (tillshadeisgone@blackqueer.life)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Oct-2024 22:53:52 JST carl marks

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     @DivineKestrel THAT PART

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     Kit Rhett Aultman (roadriverrail@signs.codes)'s status on Friday, 18-Oct-2024 02:00:00 JST Kit Rhett Aultman

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     • Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:

     @twipped @DivineKestrel "Most" might be a strong term here. I've known a lot of cis women who either identified as second-wave feminists or whose ideology was strongly informed by it. Overwhelmingly, they have all passionately identified as women and see being a woman as a good thing. I do think there's a lot of "institutionalized trauma response" to be found in a lot of second-wave feminism, but I've found relatively little to me that reads as "transmasc eggs in denial".

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     Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer: (twipped@twipped.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Oct-2024 02:00:01 JST Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:

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     @DivineKestrel I’m convinced that most of second wave feminism was transmasc eggs rationalizing their coping mechanisms in a cloud of cognitive dissonance and misogyny

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     Cum Vampire (divinekestrel@chaosfem.tw)'s status on Friday, 18-Oct-2024 02:00:03 JST Cum Vampire

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     White second wave feminists with condemn you for cleavage and tell you that if you want to be effective working in a man’s world you should hide your femininity and never once think they are holding up the master’s tools and saying “we should use these!”

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     Cum Vampire (divinekestrel@chaosfem.tw)'s status on Friday, 18-Oct-2024 02:00:04 JST Cum Vampire

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     Like bitch if your version of “womanhood” is toned down mayonnaise patriarchy then you’re goddamn right ima ruin that shit.

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     Cum Vampire (divinekestrel@chaosfem.tw)'s status on Friday, 18-Oct-2024 02:00:07 JST Cum Vampire

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     White second wave feminists will tell Trans femmes we damage womanhood and will never have read a single fucking work written by a women of color.

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     Kit Rhett Aultman (roadriverrail@signs.codes)'s status on Friday, 18-Oct-2024 03:29:04 JST Kit Rhett Aultman

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     • Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:

     @twipped @DivineKestrel Appreciated. While I did now know any of those people personally, I still mostly stand behind my impressions. I think there are arguments to be made around the second wave as having a considerable amount of institutionalized trauma response, but even setting aside the error-prone aspect of psychoanalyzing strangers, the second-wave writing I've read didn't give me "transmasc in denial" vibes. YMMV of course and I'd even be happy to year your take and reconsider mine.

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     Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer: (twipped@twipped.social)'s status on Friday, 18-Oct-2024 03:29:05 JST Jocelynephiliac :reclaimer:

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     @roadriverrail @DivineKestrel point of clarification, when I said "most" I was referring to the ideological origins, I did NOT mean that a majority of second wave feminists are closeted trans people.