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   SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Oct-2024 20:43:21 JST SuperDicq

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   @rher@mugicha.club Unlike older consoles I don't think most of the new consoles will become collectable.
   
   They are created as temporary machines with planned obsolescence. As soon as the servers go offline these devices become practically useless having most of their features stripped from them. Especially for the Xbox One there's no point in getting one because it doesn't even have any exclusive games.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Oct-2024 20:44:58 JST SuperDicq

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     @rher@mugicha.club Like nobody will buy a Xbox One specifically to play ReCore when they can just install the PC version of that game.
     
     Gaming consoles are dead.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Oct-2024 20:54:29 JST SuperDicq

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     @thatbrickster@shitposter.world @rher@mugicha.club The Xbox One does not have Xbox 360 backwards compatibility, this is a myth created by Microsoft's misleading marketing.
     
     When you insert a Xbox 360 disc into a Xbox One it will have to go on the internet and download an iso for the game which it then emulates. This is essentially the same thing as emulating your 360 games in Xenia on PC.
     
     Also because this feature requires internet it means that once again when these servers go down this feature will stop working meaning that the Xbox One is not a collectable console.

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     Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Oct-2024 20:54:30 JST Bricky

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     @SuperDicq A poor excuse I can think of is the X360 compatibility layer, which only helps if real X360 consoles start dying and become rare. Even then, my two OG Xboxes are worth more than the X360 at this point.
     
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Oct-2024 21:06:38 JST SuperDicq

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     @thatbrickster@shitposter.world @rher@mugicha.club I only have a PS2, a GameCube and a random PS3 that gets used exclusively as a Bluray player.

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     Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Oct-2024 21:06:39 JST Bricky

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     @SuperDicq Damn. The Xbone truly is worthless.
     
     My PS3 died due to chronic overheating I couldn't fix and I broke my SCPH-50000 series PS2 trying to replace the laser. All I have on that side is a jailbroken PS4 Pro and a PSN-banned PS5. I have an Xbox Series X because my Series S has a problem with all wireless connectivity, and because newer Series X consoles have ditched the disc drive.
     
     I found out too late that I was a last-gen gamer. I had already bought in to Sony's BS with the PS4 and Vita.
     
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Oct-2024 21:34:55 JST SuperDicq

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     @Reiddragon@fedi.reimu.info @rher@mugicha.club @thatbrickster@shitposter.world Yes, because the Xbox 360 was actually physically backwards compatible makes this possible.

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     Reid :ablobcatattention: (reiddragon@fedi.reimu.info)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Oct-2024 21:35:04 JST Reid :ablobcatattention:

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     @SuperDicq @rher @thatbrickster also fun fact: the few OG Xbox games that run on Xbox One and Series do so inside the Xbox 360 emulator because of Microsoft's infinite wisdom
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Oct-2024 21:37:33 JST SuperDicq

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     @Reiddragon@fedi.reimu.info @rher@mugicha.club @thatbrickster@shitposter.world Oh I'm not that familiar with the actual implemenation. Didn't think the 360 had the computing power to flawlessy emulate the OG Xbox, I would assume they would've had some physical hardware chip to emulate the OG Xbox on.

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     Reid :ablobcatattention: (reiddragon@fedi.reimu.info)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Oct-2024 21:37:37 JST Reid :ablobcatattention:

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     @SuperDicq @rher @thatbrickster well, it still emulated the whole thing, only difference is it ran the game off the disc instead of downloading both the game and emulator
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Oct-2024 22:45:26 JST SuperDicq

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     @Reiddragon@fedi.reimu.info @rher@mugicha.club @thatbrickster@shitposter.world I didn't know that I've never had a Xbox. So it's not like PS2 or Gameboy backwards compatibility at all where there's an actual hardware emalator chip

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     Reid :ablobcatattention: (reiddragon@fedi.reimu.info)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Oct-2024 22:45:33 JST Reid :ablobcatattention:

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     @SuperDicq @rher @thatbrickster afaik it's pure software, there's no x86 hardware to be found in the 360
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 01:48:15 JST SuperDicq

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     @Reiddragon@fedi.reimu.info @thatbrickster@shitposter.world @rher@mugicha.club Ok, technical implementation aside I think we can all agree that a console is not truely backwards compatible if the feature requires an internet connection, right?

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     Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 01:48:24 JST Bricky

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     @Reiddragon I thought the EE was clocked up 5MHz (294->299) to accommodate for the missing hardware, no?
     
     As for BC on GBA, I just happen to have a GBC game (Wings of Fury) that plays differently on the GBA. The music has hanging notes, which the GBA cuts short. An example can be seen after the player is downed with no lives left, and Last Post starts playing.
     
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     Reid :ablobcatattention: (reiddragon@fedi.reimu.info)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 01:48:24 JST Reid :ablobcatattention:

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     @thatbrickster @SuperDicq @rher tbh I have to assume GB/C on GBA is emulation considering the former are on a kind of Z80, while the latter is on an ARM chip

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     Reid :ablobcatattention: (reiddragon@fedi.reimu.info)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 01:48:28 JST Reid :ablobcatattention:

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     @SuperDicq @rher @thatbrickster well, not really an emulator, but rather the original hardware on early PS2s (some PS2 Slim models replaced the MIPS IO Chip that ran as a CPU for PS1 games with a PowerPC chip that emulated things instead)
     
     Not sure how backwards compatibility works with GB/C games on GBA, but GBA games on DS ran natively as well
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 01:52:14 JST Sick Sun

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     @Reiddragon @SuperDicq @rher @thatbrickster the GBA has an embedded cpu solely for gb compat
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 21:54:31 JST 翠星石

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     @sun @Reiddragon @SuperDicq @rher @thatbrickster The same is true for the DS, DSi and 3DS - all have extra embedded processors for backwards compatibility.
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