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   Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 18:02:38 JST Angry Sun
   I don't say "dark fedi" or "alt fedi" because we were here first.
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     kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 18:03:52 JST kaia

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     @sun "they over there on mainline fedi, we on based fedi however..."
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     :blobcathug: (jain@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 18:06:27 JST :blobcathug:

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     @kaia @sun authorian fedi instead mainline
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     zzzz (shinobufag@miniwa.moe)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 18:12:08 JST zzzz

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     @sun boomer fedi
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     Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 18:12:29 JST Angry Sun

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     @nihilvt yeah exactly
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     :k_n::k_i::k_h::k_i::k_l: :verified: (nihilvt@loli.rodeo)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 18:12:34 JST :k_n::k_i::k_h::k_i::k_l: :verified:

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     @sun@shitposter.world part of me wants to embrace dark fedi but i don't like the idea of letting Mastodon users claim the fedi, they forced us here and now we are being colonized :wojak_depressed:

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     bartholin (bartholin@fops.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 18:39:56 JST bartholin

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     @sun Schway fedi
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 19:33:22 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 19:46:44 JST SuperDicq

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     @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @sun@shitposter.world There's just Fedi and there's corposhit. Nothing else.

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     :blobcathug: (jain@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 23:02:00 JST :blobcathug:

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     @john
     Often admins of the "good side" of the fediverse refer to instances they blocked as "alt fedi" or "dark fedi".
     Fedi was originally built so that users can block and decide themself what they want to see, very anti authoritarian.
     However in the last years the behavior shifted from admins taking only the most necessary actions to keep the peace to controlling servers very hard and even try to get other instances to defederate instances they personally do block.
     
     So my post is criticism of exactly such admins.
     
     Of course the whole topic is much more complex, dont get me wrong, i do think that there should be some safer spaces so that everyone can feel comfy.
     However if you became familiar with the technical depths of fedi, then you will realize that fedi is a privacy nightmare, extremely unstable and is based on principle which do makes safer spaces nearly impossible.
     
     And since some people want the network to change actively, the fediverse now have a bunch of admins which started to propagate values like intransparency and authoritarian structures. To give you a bunch examples:
     shared blocklists, so that admins can be lazy and dont do their job and which often contains false positives or other admins would categorize stuff different and nearly all blocklists dont have receips for the blocks, someone even tried to capitalize shared blocklists. Another thing is contact depth or personal issues between admins of which the users are then the sufferers, there are several incidents where attempts have been made to actively marginalize minorities.
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     John (john@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 23:02:02 JST John

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     @Jain @kaia @sun

     Who is saying this stuff? What is it supposed to mean?

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 23:06:52 JST iced depresso

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     @Jain @john i just call it east and west fedi. the mastodongers love their berlin wall.
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     :blobcathug: (jain@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 23:16:45 JST :blobcathug:

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     @john @icedquinn quinn has dark humor, the others in the thread know enough examples and I wouldn't have noticed your admins yet
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     John (john@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 23:16:46 JST John

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     @icedquinn @Jain

     Well now there's a confusing conflation. This instance I'm using right now runs masto, but is very, very light on the moderation & blocking stuff.

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     John (john@liberdon.com)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 23:27:03 JST John

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     @Jain @icedquinn

     I'm definitely aware of very censorious instances. Some of my alts can't talk to each other, and I maintain at least one because I have folks on both sides of the wall I'd like to be able to talk to (or at least historically did).

     I just don't get how that's related to what software the instance happens to be using.

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     :blobcathug: (jain@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 23:27:03 JST :blobcathug:

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     @john @icedquinn it doesnt... this is a prejudice because mastodon instances have been known for such actions in the past... but this is also due to the fact that mastodon is used the most
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 23:34:12 JST iced depresso

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     @Jain @john the mastodon community started and normalized server software discrimination (see: are0h)
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     :blobcathug: (jain@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Oct-2024 23:35:41 JST :blobcathug:

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     @icedquinn @john sure, did you know that gargron want to implement blocklist subscriptions now in the next release?
     Im curious how that will go, i bet fedi will be on fire again
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     GNU+ullard (ullard@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 10-Oct-2024 21:40:56 JST GNU+ullard

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     @sun I like "fun fedi" though
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 11-Oct-2024 07:20:11 JST iced depresso

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     @sim @Jain @john couldn't say. probably some cross section of the EU money coming in and the craziest speciments of twitter moving in.
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     sim@shitposter.world's status on Friday, 11-Oct-2024 07:20:12 JST sim

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     @icedquinn @Jain @john The mastodon community has been a general disaster for the fediverse and made it a more closed off, drama-filled and miserable place. Before them, admins would block instances for legal reasons alone and some of this was because the tools were still being developed that would work better. Now we have an instance blocklist and all the drama you'd expect from this.