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Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 07:08:42 JST Bricky

https://12ft.io/https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/lord-reed-how-we-will-decide-what-constitutes-a-woman-mt7nn79hc

What is a woman? This now highly controversial issue will be decided in November by the highest court in the land. Five senior judges will sit in the quiet, restrained atmosphere of Court One in the Supreme Court in Parliament Square, impervious to the placards and banners of any protesters outside.

The justices — three men and two women — will be led by Lord Reed of Allermuir, 68, president of the court and the UK’s most senior judge. He is undaunted by the task. “When we hear cases … we are not trying to decide what social policy ought to be. That’s not our function. What we are trying to do, generally and in this particular case, is to interpret a particular statute or provision.”

This particular statute is a law aimed at improving the gender balance of women on public boards in line with the Equality Act. However, does that include transwomen with a gender-recognition certificate? The appeal is being brought by a Scottish campaign group, For Women Scotland, after Scotland’s highest court ruled in favour of a wider definition.
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  kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 07:08:41 JST kaia
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  I'm glad that Lord Reed, 68, decides this. he must be competent to do so :floofWoozy_256:
  
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  mothball蛾玉 (西洋巣酸の木) (moth_ball@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 07:42:18 JST mothball蛾玉 (西洋巣酸の木)
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  @kaia @thatbrickster even the damn clinics can't decide what a woman is, how could he
  
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  翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 15:42:15 JST 翠星石
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  @thatbrickster A female can have only one X chromosome; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndrome?useskin=monobook
  
  It doesn't matter how many X's you have anyway - the thing that decides if an individual will be male is the existence of a Y chromosome; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXXY_syndrome?useskin=monobook
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    Turner syndrome
    
    Turner syndrome (TS), also known as 45,X, or 45,X0, is a genetic disorder in which the patient's cells have only one X chromosome or are partially missing an X chromosome (sex chromosome monosomy) leading to the complete or partial deletion of the pseudoautosomal regions (PAR1, PAR2) in the affected X chromosome. Most people have two sex chromosomes (XX or XY). The chromosomal abnormality is often present in just some cells, in which case it is known as Turner syndrome with mosaicism. 45,X0 with mosaicism can occur in males or females, but Turner syndrome without mosaicism only occurs in females. Signs and symptoms vary among those affected. Often, a short and webbed neck, low-set ears, low hairline at the back of the neck, short stature, and swollen hands and feet are seen at birth. Typically, those affected do not develop menstrual periods or breasts without hormone treatment and are unable to have children without reproductive technology. Heart defects, diabetes, and hypothyroidism occur in the disorder more frequently than average. Most people with Turner syndrome have normal intelligence; however, many have problems...
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    XXXY syndrome
    
    XXXY syndrome is a genetic condition characterized by a sex chromosome aneuploidy, where individuals have two extra X chromosomes. People in most cases have two sex chromosomes: an X and a Y or two X chromosomes. The presence of one Y chromosome with a functioning SRY gene causes the expression of genes that determine maleness. Because of this, XXXY syndrome only affects males. The additional two X chromosomes in males with XXXY syndrome causes them to have 48 chromosomes, instead of the typical 46. XXXY syndrome is therefore often referred to as 48,XXXY. There is a wide variety of symptoms associated with this syndrome, including cognitive and behavioral problems, taurodontism, and infertility. This syndrome is usually inherited via a new mutation in one of the parents' gametes, as those affected by it are usually infertile. It is estimated that XXXY affects one in every 50,000 male births. Signs and symptoms The symptoms of 48,XXXY syndrome are similar to those of Klinefelter syndrome, though the symptoms are usually more severe in 48,XXXY syndrome. Like Klinefelter syndrome, the presence of additional X chromosomes affects...
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  Hildegunst von Mythenmetz of programming (condret@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 15:42:16 JST Hildegunst von Mythenmetz of programming
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  @thatbrickster you told me a while ago that you don't believe in the universal person. Do you believe in the universal women?
  
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  @condret XX chromosomes define a female, an adult human female defines a woman. These are unalienable facts. It is irrelevant to the 'universal person' theory as they can have differing personalities based on culture, socioeconomic status and values. They may be biologically the same but they don't all behave the same or believe in the same things we do.
  
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  翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 16:21:26 JST 翠星石
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  @coolbean Well that's interesting - turns out it's possible to have weirdly mutated X that functionally causes masculinization like Y, but that's not the typical X chromosome and so it seems odd to refer to it as "X" - although as far as I can tell, the converse doesn't occur as Y cannot function like X.
  
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  omen of instance annihilation (coolbean@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 16:21:27 JST omen of instance annihilation
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  @Suiseiseki @thatbrickster not entirely accurate either
  
  the development of male primary sexual characteristics is specifically tied the sry gene *typically* found in the y chromosome but can end up inside an x chromosome instead https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome
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    XX male syndrome
    
    XX male syndrome, also known as de la Chapelle syndrome, is a rare intersex condition in which an individual with a 46,XX karyotype develops a male phenotype. Synonyms for XX male syndrome include 46,XX testicular difference of sex development (or 46,XX DSD) In 90 percent of these individuals, the syndrome is caused by the Y chromosome's SRY gene, which triggers male reproductive development, being atypically included in the crossing over of genetic information that takes place between the pseudoautosomal regions of the X and Y chromosomes during meiosis in the father. When the X with the SRY gene combines with a normal X from the mother during fertilization, the result is an XX male. Less common are SRY-negative XX males, which can be caused by a mutation in an autosomal or X chromosomal gene. The masculinization of XX males is variable. This syndrome is diagnosed and occurs in approximately 1:20,000 new-born males, making it much less common than Klinefelter syndrome. Medical treatment of the condition varies, with medical treatment usually not necessary. The alternative name for XX male syndrome...
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  翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 16:50:44 JST 翠星石
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  @coolbean If I remember correctly, the Y chromosome is just a mutated version of the X chromosome to oversimplify and so slamming together parts of the X and Y chromosome at random seems to result in a chromosome that looks like an X, but functions as Y anyway - even then referring to such combination as just "the X" without further context would be extremely confusing.
  
  Men are the best at being male no matter the odds?
  
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  omen of instance annihilation (coolbean@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 16:50:45 JST omen of instance annihilation
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  @Suiseiseki while mutation is also a way for this effect to occur, the process i explained is literally just a very common mishap when combining the parents' genetic information just happening to affect this specific gene
  
  in any case chromosomes carry a lot more information than just the genes responsible for sexual dimorphism so an x chromosome is still an x chromosome even if it includes something you think belongs in a y
  
  also a neat fun fact: some research has suggested that this condition is actually *far* more common than is frequently assumed but most cases go undiagnosed because it has no negative health effects and requires expensive labwork to confirm
  
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  翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 16:55:23 JST 翠星石
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  @thatbrickster Yes, the female gamete is large, the male gamete is small.
  
  The Y chromosome is indeed deteriorating - without the application of successful natural selection or artificial correction, the human race will eventually die out, as if the whole population is female, there can be no reproduction occurring.
  
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  Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 16:55:24 JST Bricky
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  @coolbean I'm of the understanding the Y chromosome is getting smaller over generations. We'll eventually have to gauge sex a different way, for now it's what's used.
  
  Aptly named gene though. SRY for giving you balls that hurt when kicked.
  
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