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   narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Saturday, 05-Oct-2024 04:05:29 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:
   i dunno why but uploading firmware onto 3d printer motherboard has 60% chance to fail with timeout
   
   RT: https://shigusegubu.club/objects/a2e248cb-9dac-460d-b6ec-9863e89bedb1
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 05-Oct-2024 04:16:38 JST 翠星石

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     @hj >uploading >firmware
     It's called uploading software.
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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 05-Oct-2024 06:01:37 JST LisPi

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     @Suiseiseki @hj Firmware just represents a particular role of software.
     
     It's not incorrect.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 16:34:49 JST 翠星石

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     @lispi314 @hj If you can upload software via software means and then it's updated, what you have done is uploaded software.
     
     Manufacturers like to pretend their propriety software updates are not software, so people don't even realize that what they are uploading is software and their freedom is not being respected.
     
     Proprietary software that takes your freedom is best described as what it is, even if it gets installed on a artificially hard to program EEPROM or NOR or NAND flash chip.
     
     Firmware is microprocessor instructions on socketed ROM chips - you cannot reprogram that via software means, but you can just swap the chip.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 18:02:16 JST 翠星石

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     @lispi314 It's not software, as you cannot reprogram a ROM chip, but it's no so hard as hardware that you cannot change it - it's firm.
     
     It's not soft at all - the only way to change it is to replace it, with either a compatible ROM or PROM or EEPROM chip (in the last case you've changed what was firmware into software), although you don't need to go as far as replacing all the hardware or even doing any a hardware modification (i.e. desoldering something).
     
     
     The Talos II BMC uses an EEPROM to store software - it's just inconvenient to flash it; https://wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Debricking_the_BMC
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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 18:02:18 JST LisPi

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     @Suiseiseki @hj > Firmware is microprocessor instructions on socketed ROM chips - you cannot reprogram that via software means, but you can just swap the chip.
     
     Isn't that just yet more software (with a firmware role), with a peculiar physical procedure to update it (depending on the kind, it's not even that involved)? A bit like the BMC on the Talos II.