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   Killer*Mule (killer_mule@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 03:13:09 JST Killer*Mule

   • YoungBlood

   @YoungBlood Youngblood, doesn't the President have certain special powers to force people to work in extremely unique circumstances? We'd probably have to be at war, right?!

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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 03:13:08 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     My memory is that conscription is generally related to specific circumstances and fields. Military, doctors, lawyer come to mind off hand.
     
     But when it comes to other industries, the government can force the business to make products and retool — Ford... you're gonna make Tank treads for the next four years — but they have to be properly compensated and I don't believe that the employees can be forced to work.
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     koropokkur (koropokkur@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 03:19:19 JST koropokkur

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     @Humpleupagus @Killer_Mule @YoungBlood they link it to rations.
     essential workers receive more gas/food ration than those who are non-ess.
     they literally threaten your food supply and freedom of movement to keep you in line during wartime.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 03:19:19 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     • YoungBlood
     There are always other pressures as we experienced during covid, but it's not technical force work, though just as fucked nonethess.
     
     I looked at this a long time ago, and I recall that Doctors have been conscripted to provide aid in both military and civilian contexts and the court upheld it. Attorney conscription has typically been in the civil / criminal context where the government chooses the client and forces representation. That's also been upheld.
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     Dame B (boolysteed@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 03:40:23 JST Dame B

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     • YoungBlood

     @Humpleupagus @Killer_Mule @Koropokkur @YoungBlood Think Air Traffic Controllers and President Regan forcing them to show up to work.

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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 03:42:40 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     • Dame B
     Was that conscription or NRLA? NRLA forcing work by ending a strike is common. I haven't look at it specifically, but I assume employees can still "quit," but can't "strike," i.e. they'd lose their union benefits / protections.
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     Jean_Philippe_Micheaux (jean_philippe_micheaux@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 03:45:41 JST Jean_Philippe_Micheaux

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     @Humpleupagus @Killer_Mule @YoungBlood even in WW2 civilians weren’t forced to work. the main benefit of working in a defense plant was being able to use that position as a deferment for getting drafted.
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     I recall that companies were forced to do defense work though. But yeah, as for the employees, they were legally free to do what they wanted, subject to other risks as you stated.
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     Dame B (boolysteed@noauthority.social)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 04:31:40 JST Dame B

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     • YoungBlood

     @Humpleupagus @Killer_Mule @Koropokkur @YoungBlood The Reagan administration ‘replaced’ 13,000 ATC union strikers with military, active and retired and non-union controllers. The Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization decertified.

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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 04:32:30 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     I want a fluffy tailed wife during the monkey apocalypse. 😥
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     skylar :confederateflag:??? :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 04:32:31 JST skylar :confederateflag:??? :z:

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     @Koropokkur @Humpleupagus @Killer_Mule what worked in a high trust 1944 society doesn't work in piss earth 2024
     
     me and my fluffy tailed wife watching a scholar stomp on the grocery store wagie's head for telling him he doesn't have enough ration stamps to buy chicken and dish soap while the other monkeys hoot and holler (we're going to loot the meat department in the chaos)
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     Jean_Philippe_Micheaux (jean_philippe_micheaux@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 04:32:49 JST Jean_Philippe_Micheaux

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     @Humpleupagus @Killer_Mule @YoungBlood the companies that didn’t or wouldn’t change over had to deal with restrictions on supplies so they went out of business. then the workers fucked off to the high paying jobs in the defense plants. it got so bad they did put a pay cap at places to the point that companies had to offer benefits like dental and health care to sweeten employees up to come work for them. ahhh my WW2 American Homefront term paper has finally been useful once in life
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