I once saw a video by a professor from Israel stating that Israel's intent was to move into the Ukraine under a claim of right to khazaria. He had a list of political and economic reasons for it. This was filmed before the war btw.
@Humpleupagus@eee That being said it's not helping by sending Abrams fucking tanks. Just want to say that Everytime I have a chance to because fuck abrams
@WoodFren@Humpleupagus@eee Yeah I mean I wouldn't put it past them but I just don't see it happening in reality BUT tbh so much crazy shit has happened on the last few years who really knows. I hope they stay put. Netanyahu sure seems to be going full steam ahead on disintegrating his neighbors.
@WoodFren@Humpleupagus@eee Jews will never move to the poorest country in Europe that is currently wartorn when they the beautiful oasis that is Israel or the United States.
Very true. I was open to the idea because while it is poor it’s much greener than Israel. So if they fucked up big time and needed to jettison Israel and let it be overrun by Muslims (like if this Palestine conflict goes very south from an optics perspective and they need to pretend that it was all crazy Netanyahu‘s idea and they aren’t all like that), they could potentially divert the money we send to Israel now into setting up jewish ethnic enclaves with Ukraine.
Like you said though, they have it very good in the US still so it doesn’t make a ton of sense that they couldn’t live here but would still be able to draw the money from here to do that.
Israel does suck ass though, just hot and dusty and full of their ethnic enemies. Eastern Europe is naturally very beautiful so I get trying to trade up for it if possible.
@Humpleupagus@eee Please show me this video. Because Israel hasn't helped Ukraine for fuck all. They have sent some medical tents. And they have never not once condemned the invasion. The khazaria thing is literally from a rabbi in the 1500s. Also damn near every Jew in Ukraine left to Israel when the war started. Not all but a shitload.
I don’t want to assert anything because I’m an American that doesn’t know all that much.
But as I understood it the “Turn Ukraine into Israel 2” plan/conspiracy theory involved forcing Ukrainians into meat grinders to wipe out as much of the native population as possible before flooding it with jewish settlers after the conflict was over. Their goal being not to help Ukraine, but to prolong the conflict as long as possible with as little aid as possible reaching actual Ukrainians.
So not saying that Ukraine is/was jewish, but saying that the intent from NATO/world zionists was to wipe out the native Ukrainian population and recolonize it as a jewish homeland, which was similar to their MO with Palestine, wiping out Palestinians and literally just moving into their houses.
I do think they’re losing some faith/steam on Israel’s viability. For the past few years the governor of Florida has been going hard with anti-semitism laws that I’ve come to assume to mean that they’re signaling Florida to be a safe place for them if either Israel has to be abandoned or if the US Balkanizes (both scenarios I think are within the realm of possibility).
It was on LBRY, which doesn't have the best search engine, and it was years ago, but I'll try to find it when I have a minute.
His reasons were basically that Israel is on shit land and the Ukraine was more fertile with respect to agriculture, that Israel has hostile borders that constantly have to be defended, and that Israel is otherwise losing its youth because it can't provide opportunities that other countries can and the religious justifications didn't have the same effect on them as on the previous generations. The gist was basically that despite outward appearances, Israel as a project in the modern world is dying on the inside. He didn't directly say that, but it was definitely implied.
@WoodFren@Humpleupagus@eee If after the war you are correct and everyone is dead and for some insane reason Jews want to move into a hostile area I will retract my statement.
@Humpleupagus@eee I would also like to point out that literal IDF soldiers went to fight for Russia. Probably Ukraine too but I have yet to see it or hear about it. It is eastern Europe after all and they have had their claws in deep for a while
@apropos@Humpleupagus@eee Time will tell dude. They have no real evidence for a claim to Ukraine though from what I gather. They have more of an argument for Palestine than that. Not that I agree with just saying.
@Turkleton@Humpleupagus@eee yeah, and they certainly aren’t acting like they’re giving up on the Levant, nor leaving room for any kind of graceful exit there. If Khazaria were the plan then there should’ve been a very different response to Oct 7th.
But, it’s not the least likely thing to ever happen, and it might be enough in leadership’s minds to cool enthusiasm for helping Ukraine.
@Turkleton@Humpleupagus@eee Israel not helping the Ukraine is implied, not contradicted, by Israel wanting to give up on its fictitious claims to the Levant for its real claims to Khazaria. In an Israel-style colonization of Ukraine, the #1 enemy are the Ukrainians currently occupying the land. For Ukraine to slowly lose a war of attrition is clearing those people off the land.
There will still be the #2 enemy, the Russians increasingly occupying the land, but fortuitously for any Israel-style colonization
the west is still big bad about Russia and willing to assist
Russia is somewhat cucked on Israel and already has one Jewish autonomous province
Russia was never interested in conquest and under the right circumstances might even welcome an Israeli migration as some kind of buffer and some kind of continued denazification (which sounds insane to me given how Israel’s behaving, but they certainly say that they oppose Nazis)
And if the Khazaria claims are a 1500s fiction, so what? We’re talking about Israel here.