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   Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 (chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 01:42:09 JST Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸

   • Daniela B 🇵🇸 🌏🌱💦

   @dbattistella in fairness, Ukraine abstained rather than voted against.

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     Kari'boka (kariboka@social.harpia.red)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 01:42:08 JST Kari'boka

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     Let’s not pretend Zelensky is not shit. I mean, I understand Ukraine is the better side against Putin. But Zelensky always was an alt-right pawn, and COVID denialist.

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     Kari'boka (kariboka@social.harpia.red)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 02:56:41 JST Kari'boka

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     @antifarben @dbattistella @chris

     I stand corrected.
     He wasn’t a denialist, looking DDG I found about Vladimir Zelenko who was promoting Hydroxychloroquine. I was talking from memory and messed up.

     I will correct my answer.

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     ⚜ Ån̶t̶hiǝ¯₣ab̷r̷ε ⚜ ☮️ (antifarben@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 02:56:41 JST ⚜ Ån̶t̶hiǝ¯₣ab̷r̷ε ⚜ ☮️

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     @kariboka @dbattistella @chris I see you removed one claim but do you have any sources for the other one? 😉

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     ⚜ Ån̶t̶hiǝ¯₣ab̷r̷ε ⚜ ☮️ (antifarben@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 02:56:42 JST ⚜ Ån̶t̶hiǝ¯₣ab̷r̷ε ⚜ ☮️

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     @kariboka @dbattistella @chris huh?
     Do you have any proof of what you just wrote?

     I remember that he even published himself getting the vaccine and encouraging others to do the same.

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     @antifarben @dbattistella @chris The other is my own opinion. Ukraine (just like Israel) are proxies for the west.

     There is a video of Biden, from the time he was a senator, talking about the importance of the USA keeping Israel, due their interest in the middle east.

     The same goes for Ukraine, IMO, the difference in that case is that Putin is a shithead and must be stopped.

     I am talking from South America, we know very well what is in the interest of the west. And the worst of all, USA. But this is a looong History.

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     Kari'boka (kariboka@social.harpia.red)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 03:34:16 JST Kari'boka

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     @richlv @antifarben @dbattistella @chris
     
     I won't get deeply into this subject, with all due respect.
     
     But in short USA + EU. The West™ is led by the US, and the European follow.
     
     And this term is not coined by me. I used to think we here are in the west, I mean geographically we are, and also culturally we are heavily influenced by the western philosophy. We are the grandsons of raped indigenous woman by European colonizers.
     
     But that West™ never considered us part of it.
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     Rihards Olups (richlv@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 03:34:19 JST Rihards Olups

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     @kariboka @antifarben @dbattistella @chris
     Who is "the west"?

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     Kari'boka (kariboka@social.harpia.red)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 04:22:10 JST Kari'boka

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     @richlv @antifarben @dbattistella @chris eastern.
     
     Historically western countries (namely Germany) considered Slavic inferior even (yeah I know that's fucked up).
     
     You got the part I talked these are not purely geographical terms. They are geopolitical.
     
     Ukraine is Eastern Europe, a zone of high importance for the USA, they don't want another imperialist (Russia under Putin) to compete with them.
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     Rihards Olups (richlv@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 04:22:11 JST Rihards Olups

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     @kariboka @antifarben @dbattistella @chris
     But... Ukraine is Europe.

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     Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 (chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 04:22:14 JST Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸

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     @richlv @kariboka @antifarben @dbattistella I believe a majority of people in Ukraine want to be part of “The West” both culturally and in terms of their national security. It will be interesting to see which one of those forces succeed, if Russia doesn’t.

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     Kari'boka (kariboka@social.harpia.red)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 04:22:22 JST Kari'boka

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     @chris @richlv @antifarben @dbattistella pretty much, yes!
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     ⚜ Ån̶t̶hiǝ¯₣ab̷r̷ε ⚜ ☮️ (antifarben@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 04:48:54 JST ⚜ Ån̶t̶hiǝ¯₣ab̷r̷ε ⚜ ☮️

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     @kariboka @dbattistella @chris hm, so you wrote two claims: one where you mixed up completely different people and the other one is without proof but rather your "own opinion" which somehow resembles the propaganda that Russia is trying to spread?
     And you're trying to integrate some whataboutism in the few words that you wrote?

     Amigo, I'm not saying that it is always easy, but please try to double check the information that you're consuming.

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     • Daniela B 🇵🇸 🌏🌱💦
     @antifarben @dbattistella @chris
     
     Don't say I am in favor of Russian propaganda, I am being honest, and I even showed this by humbly correcting my statement and addressing it.
     
     Completely different people? Read up their names again, and consider I am from another part of the world and it was years ago.
     
     What do you think? That only Putin has interest and this war and the West is helping out of goodness in their hearts because this is the right and honorable thing to do?
     
     This conflict, like many others, is driven by economic interests and capital, not simple good versus evil narratives.
     
     We in the Global South are very familiar with how the West operates, especially when it comes to resource extraction.
     
     And this is not a question of evil vs good as some tend to think. It is all about CAPITAL, these are the dynamics in play in this system.
     
     Its great to visit Canadá, or Norway right? Not so great when they visit us.
     
     Western companies have been implicated in benefiting from illegal mineral extraction in the Amazon (you know we have a whole forest region with HUGE biodiversity and rivers with that name before the web marketstore you use to buy your new Iphone) . The Amazon region is rich in natural resources, including gold, tin, and rare minerals used in electronics and automobile manufacturing. Many companies, including well-known names like Samsung, Microsoft, Intel, Sony, Volkswagen, Ford, and General Motors, use these minerals in their supply chains, often sourced from areas where illegal mining and deforestation have devastating effects on local ecosystems and Indigenous communities.
     
     It happened in colonialism time and it happens now.
     
     This isn't just a one-time incident—it's a systematic issue tied to global capitalism.
     
     > Amigo, I'm not saying that it is always easy, but please try to double check the information that you're consuming.
     
     Of course the white superior knows it all and the latin brown doesn't. Checks out.
     
     You don't have to say it out loud to be true, your own behavior shows it.
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     Kari'boka (kariboka@social.harpia.red)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 04:51:33 JST Kari'boka

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     • Daniela B 🇵🇸 🌏🌱💦
     @antifarben @dbattistella @chris
     
     > Try to connect with Ukrainians. You will see that most of them aren't gay Nazis that produce bioweapons to attack Russia.
     
     I never said anything remotely related to this.
     
     You have to paint me like a moron so you can attack me.
     
     I know Ukrainians. I know the people is suffering and they are fighting to survive. Putin had no right to attack their homes.
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     ⚜ Ån̶t̶hiǝ¯₣ab̷r̷ε ⚜ ☮️ (antifarben@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 04:51:34 JST ⚜ Ån̶t̶hiǝ¯₣ab̷r̷ε ⚜ ☮️

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     @kariboka @dbattistella @chris We live in times where bad actors can scale propaganda distribution as easily as never before.

     These actors try to manipulate us to distrust our governments (which is kinda expected) but nowadays even our friends or our families.

     Ukraine is attacked by Russia. They brought up claims so that every type of person has a matching story:

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     @kariboka @dbattistella @chris They told non-right wing folks that Ukraine is only Nazis,
     they told homophobes that Ukraine people encourage homosexuality,
     they told Christians that Ukraine is full of Satanists,
     they said that the US are producing super bioweapons in Ukraine to attack Russia,
     they want to eliminate Ukraine culture, heritage and language so they tell everybody that Ukrainians are the bad ones that somehow would otherwise eradicate russian culture.

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     ⚜ Ån̶t̶hiǝ¯₣ab̷r̷ε ⚜ ☮️ (antifarben@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 04:51:34 JST ⚜ Ån̶t̶hiǝ¯₣ab̷r̷ε ⚜ ☮️

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     @kariboka @dbattistella @chris however, it's easy to debunk all that. Try to connect with Ukrainians. You will see that most of them aren't gay Nazis that produce bioweapons to attack Russia.

     Most of them just don't want to be killed or raped or moved from their homes.

     Russia lied about every bit in the process. And they will continue to do so while their war will go on.

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     ⚜ Ån̶t̶hiǝ¯₣ab̷r̷ε ⚜ ☮️ (antifarben@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 04:55:45 JST ⚜ Ån̶t̶hiǝ¯₣ab̷r̷ε ⚜ ☮️

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     @kariboka @dbattistella @chris

     > I never said anything remotely related to this.

     I didn't claim you did. I just tried to make the point that they have the right propaganda for everybody.

     Furthermore I'm glad that we both agree that Putin must be stopped.

     > You have to paint me like a moron so you can attack me.

     I didn't mean to do either and I don't think that I attacked you.
     Please tell me where it sounded like I did.

     But the proxy story is just easy to believe if you don't double check.

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     Kari'boka (kariboka@social.harpia.red)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 05:01:17 JST Kari'boka

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     @antifarben @dbattistella @chris
     
     Alright, I might have jumped in conclusions then. I am sorry to acuse you of something you did not.
     
     But I don't like to be perceived as someone defending Putin.
     
     I support the people, not their leaders with ulterior motives.
     In the end of the day it is we, the people, that are dying in these wars.
     
     My support is for the people, not the elites who profit from these conflicts. At the end of the day, it’s the ordinary people who are suffering and dying in these wars—whether it’s here in the Global South, where we are struggling against imperialism, in Gaza, or in Ukraine.
     
     This isn’t just about one leader or one country; it’s about the larger systems of power and capital that drive these conflicts. Western companies are profiting from illegal mineral extraction in the Amazon, just like they benefit from war economies elsewhere. We need to focus on the real issue: the people suffering under these systems of exploitation and conflict, not the power plays of world leaders.
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     ⚜ Ån̶t̶hiǝ¯₣ab̷r̷ε ⚜ ☮️ (antifarben@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Oct-2024 05:02:59 JST ⚜ Ån̶t̶hiǝ¯₣ab̷r̷ε ⚜ ☮️

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     @kariboka @dbattistella @chris PS: totally offtopic but why does your quote look like a real quote and mine doesn't?

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     @antifarben @dbattistella @chris That’s because I am on akkoma (a pleroma fork), it supports markdown natively.