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   Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Saturday, 28-Sep-2024 04:05:13 JST Aral Balkan

   Just because we partner with the Torment Nexus doesn’t mean we’re not working to create alternatives to the Torment Nexus.

   – Social Web Foundation (Meta and friends.)

   #SocialWebFoundation #Meta

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     Ben Royce 🇺🇦 (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 28-Sep-2024 07:18:26 JST Ben Royce 🇺🇦

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     @aral

     why don't people understand that working with likes of #meta #facebook #threads is only you lose, they win, in every scenario

     why don't people understand that?

     is it a concern for money?

     is it a concern for clout?

     what?

     you can never make a deal with the devil where you come out on top

     never

     #socialwebfoundation #fediverse #mastodon

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     Tyrion 🐧🏴‍☠️ (tyriontargaryen@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Saturday, 28-Sep-2024 07:18:26 JST Tyrion 🐧🏴‍☠️

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     • Ben Royce 🇺🇦

     @benroyce @aral

     What I don't get is why the tech companies are even bothering with us.

     This is a "tough crowd", more prone to run off elsewhere than to give in. Are we really that many that they want to invest time and money here?

     Xenotar repeated this.
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     Ben Royce 🇺🇦 (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 28-Sep-2024 07:18:26 JST Ben Royce 🇺🇦

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     • Tyrion 🐧🏴‍☠️

     @TyrionTargaryen @aral

     2 reasons:

     1. #Meta has to make more money. Forever. So they will embrace extend extinguish in the relentless pursuit of more and more, regardless of everything you say

     2. The nagging notion to them that #Mastodon and the #Fediverse is a threat. So at least they can keep tabs on us, and, with their thumb in the pie, warp kill or coopt whatever it is *they* think we have that might be attractive

     But of course what we have is we're not them: #centralized #plutocrat crap

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Saturday, 28-Sep-2024 13:12:42 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Ben Royce 🇺🇦

     @benroyce This.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Saturday, 28-Sep-2024 13:18:42 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Tyrion 🐧🏴‍☠️

     @TyrionTargaryen @benroyce They need to own and control it all. In their worldview, it’s a zero-sum game. Any threat, however small, to their dominance must be controlled. Especially if it has legitimacy. The one thing they can’t buy is legitimacy. That’s what grassroots fediverse projects are affording them by “partnering”. The astronomic power differential in any such “partnership” is what enables embrace, extend, extinguish. It’s sad to see, over and over again.

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     Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Saturday, 28-Sep-2024 17:56:27 JST Aral Balkan

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     • 𝓐𝓷𝓭𝔂𝓣𝓲𝓮𝓭𝔂𝓮 𓀤
     • Ben Royce 🇺🇦

     @andytiedye @benroyce I fail to see how that follows from the point being made here but both of those things can be readily implemented as part of ActivityPub or, at worst, extensions to it or in a federated protocol in general (in fact, it already does: Mobilezon is a federated events app with invitations: https://joinmobilizon.org/en/)

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     𝓐𝓷𝓭𝔂𝓣𝓲𝓮𝓭𝔂𝓮 𓀤 (andytiedye@sfba.social)'s status on Saturday, 28-Sep-2024 17:56:28 JST 𝓐𝓷𝓭𝔂𝓣𝓲𝓮𝓭𝔂𝓮 𓀤

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     • Ben Royce 🇺🇦

     @benroyce @aral The Fediverse is designed to be a decentralized replacement for Twitter. It lacks many of the features of Facebook, such as events and invitations thereto.