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   infinite love ⴳ (trwnh@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 26-Sep-2024 22:27:25 JST infinite love ⴳ

   • dansup

   @dansup there's a certain "guilt-by-association" and "don't sit at the table" aspect to it though? like, you can work with them on interop, or you can treat them as a hostile actor. there's other options in between but those are the main two. and so the choice to work with them in any capacity can be seen in a political light. you're not responsible for or condoning their actions, but you *are* at minimum overlooking them.

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     Erin 💽✨ (erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net)'s status on Thursday, 26-Sep-2024 23:03:59 JST Erin 💽✨

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     • dansup
     @trwnh @dansup e.g. I've taken a very deliberate "if threads or another closed source implementation uncovers a conformance bug in Akkoma, I'll fix it; but I won't work around any bugs of theirs"
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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Thursday, 26-Sep-2024 23:04:09 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Erin 💽✨

     @erincandescent @trwnh I think the downside of this plan is to codify current bugs, like insisting that id properties have to be string URL values.

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     infinite love ⴳ (trwnh@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 26-Sep-2024 23:04:11 JST infinite love ⴳ

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     • Erin 💽✨

     @erincandescent erin how do you feel about a fep that defines a conformance profile describing some "social networking protocol" that fedi could actually reasonably comply with (with some minor behavioral changes to avoid choking on things like multiple types or expecting hardcoded specific types)

     i keep waffling on whether it would actually be a good idea with a good outcome, or a colossal waste of time better spent on something else

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     Erin 💽✨ (erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net)'s status on Thursday, 26-Sep-2024 23:04:11 JST Erin 💽✨

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     @trwnh honestly I think codifying things as they exist today with the rough corners filed off and compatibility notes for divergences could be useful
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     Erin 💽✨ (erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net)'s status on Thursday, 26-Sep-2024 23:04:12 JST Erin 💽✨

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     • Erin 💽✨
     @trwnh @dansup (in some cases i find things which aren't really conformance issues but are suboptimal and I'll fix those too. The main thing is that I will fix the implementation I work on; I won't work around others bugs)
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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Thursday, 26-Sep-2024 23:37:43 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Erin 💽✨

     @trwnh @erincandescent Good!

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     infinite love ⴳ (trwnh@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 26-Sep-2024 23:37:44 JST infinite love ⴳ

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     • Evan Prodromou
     • Erin 💽✨

     @evan @erincandescent i'd definitely call those out as bugs!

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     Debbie Goldsmith 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈 (dgoldsmith@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 27-Sep-2024 00:15:21 JST Debbie Goldsmith 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈

     • dansup

     @dansup I loathe Meta and don't use any of their products. I also have zero problems with Meta joining the Fediverse or participating in technical standards discussions, or with anyone using any open source projects they produce, or with interoperating with them, as long as they continue to do all of those things properly, which they have, so far. Do the same people who oppose all this also oppose the U.N., or international scientific cooperation or technical standards?