@skylar@cowanon@GrungeQueef@Marshall1Banana@deprecated_ii yeah I guess that could be the case conventional plants also get tax money btw I think the green hate is a dumb republican prior sometimes and it'd be good to have a more nuanced stance on this. But like with climate in general, I've only ever seen the libtard exaggerations and cult beliefs debunked, not the underlying mechanisms. Not for a lack of searching
@WandererUber@cowanon@GrungeQueef@Marshall1Banana@deprecated_ii it's easy to see the whole thing is a scam based on how its true believers act if anyone was serious about protecting the environment, they'd be talking about building nuclear power plants, regulating farming practices, and doing some serious study into the chemicals folks are exposed to in the air and water. but instead they're giving themselves anxiety over OMG THE WEATHER MIGHT BE MARGINALLY WARMER ON AVERAGE IN 100 YEARS!!!!!!!!, trying to convince people there's no risk to groundwater from 100,000 gallons of burning vinyl chloride but your gas stove is definitely going to kill you, and seething and malding to an absurd extent that the common man would dare to have convenient transportation and not spend all winter shivering in a cold house.
you can't just leave the thing standing there to do whatever in the wind, it needs to be actively managed. if it gets spinning too fast the blades will fail
@deprecated_ii@GrungeQueef@Marshall1Banana@cowanon >they don't last that long, like 10-15 years quick google search says 20, up to 25 maybe. Then they are mostly recycled (steel, copper, magnets, so on). about 95% >the blades do end up in landfills, there's no good way to recycle composite materials like that hm Orsted says they aren't doing that and I think the euros turn them into construction boards and stuff. >the gigantic concrete bases the windmills stood on are left in the ground. Concrete is mostly inert so that's nowhere close to what the article says about the blades flying off. Would probably be better to clean it up fully and apparently there's tech to do that with high pressure water jets now. We should force companies to clean their trash up in general. There's a lot of junk that's left standing or ends up in the ocean. >sometimes, the entire wind farm is just abandoned and left standing in North America? The absolute state of the law...
>there's the fact that they kill millions of birds a year I think this is mostly factored in when they do environmental assessments. Weighed against no pollution etc. They did a test recently where they painted one blade black and it reduced collisions by 70%. It's not like the birds get sucked in or something, they just collide with the turbine because they can't see the blades well. When millions of plants kept dying because coal fired plants spewed acidic clouds everywhere, the government forced them to install filters. We should do that here too. They make these lawnmower robots and some countries have laws now that they need to integrate hedgehog protections, because the little guys just curl up and the mower slices them :sadge:
>when a windmill gets out of control the blades tend to self-disassemble. all that requires is busted controls or a broken gearbox Is this a common failure mode? They shut them down automatically in storm conditions last I've heard.
>you can't just leave the thing standing there to do whatever I think it's already law that you can't just abandon your property and recklessly endanger the public or the environment but I'm not a lawyer
@WandererUber@GrungeQueef@Marshall1Banana@cowanon I don't need to check google because I've been paying attention to this sector for the last 15 years. I'm not theorizing, I'm recalling patterns of things that actually happened
of course the official story is that these things are a fine old idea. it's green bullshit with a lot of government money involved. even if you think there are no problems with the implementation itself, there's still the unavoidable problem that intermittent power sources you can't turn on at will are not useful for serving grid base loads and actually cause problems managing the grid. unless you can find a wind farm site where the wind is *always* blowing at *always* about the same speed, wind power has no place in the power grid
@WandererUber@Marshall1Banana@cowanon when an offshore windmill's blade breaks it sends shards of sharp splintery fiberglass that washes up on the beaches and becomes a hazard. the floating debris also becomes a hazard for boaters.
@GrungeQueef@Marshall1Banana@cowanon sure but why are you saying "when" as if it's standard procedure to put these turbines up and never do any maintenance until they disassemble themselves lol Not sure how big this problem is, especially considering people FUDing all the time about how all the turbine blades supposedly end up in landfills.
the blades do end up in landfills, there's no good way to recycle composite materials like that
and then the gigantic concrete bases the windmills stood on are left in the ground. sometimes, the entire wind farm is just abandoned and left standing to rot
and then there's the fact that they kill millions of birds a year
@WandererUber@Marshall1Banana@cowanon i just want nuclear fusion so we don't have to put up with these shitty windmills and solar farms or the foreign oil which is destined to runout sooner or later. it will also shut up a good portion of the annoying lefties like greta thunberg.
@GrungeQueef@Marshall1Banana@cowanon The reason for these stupid solar farms is central planning targets being missed, not an energy shortage. These could be on people's roofs just as well but the lawmakers set some stupid output targets and/or gave bad incentives. Terrible! Not too sure about the windmill thing, I kinda like them but since you can't have these as just one guy (the residential ones are shit) I know very little about the tech and if it makes sense. Fusion could be here already imo, they're not investing properly.
@Marshall1Banana@cowanon It's nonsense just like putting them in fields. It would be significant additional effort to proof panels against repeated stresses from cars driving over them and being on the wet ground. Just put them on the roofs of the people using the energy!
@munir@skylar@cowanon@GrungeQueef@Marshall1Banana@deprecated_ii fusion is so based but when I hear fission good, wind bad because you can't recycle the turbines, that's just weird to me. In what universe are a couple of tons of fiberglass a worse environmental threat than barrels full of radioactive sludge that need to be watched for at least 10,000 years?