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   Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Friday, 13-Sep-2024 17:12:28 JST Alexandre Oliva

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   in our own very limited experience, every effect has a cause, that in turn has a cause, and so on, but our experience is limited. there could be (logically, there must be) some initial cause or causes that are not effects. but naming any of them doesn't really solve anything to those who insist every effect must have a cause, it would just shift the question to what caused that just-named initial cause. whereas once we accept the premise that there are initial causes that aren't effects, what would the point be of making the cause-effect chain any longer than it needs to be to explain what we observe?
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     UkeleleEric (ukeleleeric@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 13-Sep-2024 17:12:29 JST UkeleleEric

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     @Radical_EgoCom But, the fact that the atheist hasn't proved any case puts us exactly back to the start - is there a start, and what was the precursor or first cause? Who/what was the initial cause for the first effect? It appears to be that for every effect or result, there's a cause - this appears to be universal in every field studied. Also, something that appears to be designed suggests a designer. A completely open mind would not be atheist, just agnostic at least, or some form of theist.

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     ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭ (radical_egocom@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 13-Sep-2024 17:12:30 JST ☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭

     Creationists: "If God didn't create the universe and life, then who did?"

     Atheist: "Besides the fact that you asking "who" implies that there is a "who" to inquire upon, let's say that I don't know. I could look up scientific evidence for how the universe and humans came about through natural causes, but for the sake of the argument, I'll say I don't know. So what? Me not knowing doesn't make you correct. You still have to prove your claim, which you so far haven't."

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