@Radical_EgoCom But, the fact that the atheist hasn't proved any case puts us exactly back to the start - is there a start, and what was the precursor or first cause? Who/what was the initial cause for the first effect? It appears to be that for every effect or result, there's a cause - this appears to be universal in every field studied. Also, something that appears to be designed suggests a designer. A completely open mind would not be atheist, just agnostic at least, or some form of theist.