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   Ennui (iwillbite@whinge.town)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Sep-2024 19:33:46 JST Ennui
   When I finally started to learn how to use Krita
   
   But then decided to use Clip instead so now I have to relearn everything :BlobcatOh:
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     >clip
     >license
     >proprietary
     jesus just stay with krita
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     @weeble @iwillbite
     >No actual artists use krita.
     https://krita-artists.org/
     https://www.davidrevoy.com/static1/portfolio
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     Ennui (iwillbite@whinge.town)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Sep-2024 19:33:57 JST Ennui

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     @mangeurdenuage too bad I paid for it already 🥴
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     Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿 (weeble@fedi.bungle.online)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Sep-2024 19:33:57 JST Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿

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     @iwillbite@whinge.town @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world Don't listen to him. No actual artists use krita.
     
     Plus it's not a subscription like adobe

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     >I paid
     You're aware you paid for a temporary revocable license of usage ?
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     @iwillbite That's not for you to decide.
     And besides didn't you want to save your money for college ?
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     Ennui (iwillbite@whinge.town)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Sep-2024 19:34:25 JST Ennui

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     @mangeurdenuage they won’t revoke it
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     Sarvo (sarvo@novoa.nagoya)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Sep-2024 19:34:34 JST Sarvo

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     • Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿

     @weeble@fedi.bungle.online
     @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
     @iwillbite@whinge.town gimp is better tho

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     Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿 (weeble@fedi.bungle.online)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Sep-2024 19:34:35 JST Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿

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     @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @iwillbite@whinge.town Nice paid shills. Maybe one day they'll stop losing to clip studio and procreate.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Sep-2024 19:36:15 JST 翠星石

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     • Otaku Hot Girl 🍙💅🏿
     @iwillbite @weeble @sarvo @mangeurdenuage gimp masks/suits?!?
     
     It's pronounced GNU IMP, but in shorthand it's written GIMP.
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     Ennui (iwillbite@whinge.town)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Sep-2024 19:36:16 JST Ennui

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     @sarvo @mangeurdenuage @weeble ew I would never use that
     
     It just reminds me of those gimp masks/suits
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     @hakui @iwillbite
     >is comparable to that between gimp and photoshop
     Sounds like they need people financing them instead of already financed entities who don't allow you to own what you bought.
     
     >stay salty
     Do you think my support for a free market for software is a dick measuring contest like those who brag about brands like intel/amd cpu benchmarks ?
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     @mangeurdenuage @iwillbite the gap between krita and csp is comparable to that between gimp and photoshop
     
     stay salty
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Sep-2024 20:34:17 JST 翠星石

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     @hakui I can't believe how hard you shilled proprietary software there without getting paid, but I guess it's on me to dismantle the untrue proprietary arguments.
     >the gap between krita and csp is comparable to that between gimp and photoshop
     I'm not sure what you're trying to say, as GIMP is designed to be a image manipulation tool (for which there is nothing functionally better), while Krita is designed to be a general drawing tool more like photoshop.
     
     I haven't heard of "CSP", but its featureset seems very similar to Krita - seemingly certain features are available in other free software and Krita will eventually implement all of its features.
     
     Just because software is somewhat more convenient to use doesn't mean you should surrender your freedom and even go so far to fund the degeneracy.
     
     >doesn't sound very free market if you are trying to prevent proprietary software from reaching the market
     Proprietary software doesn't function in "the market".
     
     Making software proprietary is attempt to prevent "the market" from happening and to only allow for a single proprietary monopoly.
     
     >that just shows how unviable you think free software is economically that you feel you need protectionism for it lmao
     For there to be a law against murder that will be enforced against known murderers is not a form of protectionism - it's a defense of what is right and just.
     
     Proprietary software companies *will* take free software and make it proprietary and will use it to attack humanity if they can.
     
     >that corpos decide to step in and fund their own (the unfree licenses are them making sure they'll get a return on investment
     A proprietary license is used for the sole reason because corpos have a hate for humanity and society and make everything proprietary if they can and has nothing to do with investment.
     
     If a corpo actually wants to fund their own software for their own use, they'll develop it internally and not publish it.
     
     A proprietary license has no relevance to if they'll get a "return on investment" or not except in the negative - I'm certainly not going to pay for a copy, same as anyone who has basic respect for their own and humanities freedom (which is a return on investment they're not going to get), plus there is no guarantee that enough suckers will pay for a copy to get a return anyway.
     
     >not have people bypassing them and building their own copy from the freely available source)
     The Ardour developers are doing just fine despite how it's possible to build your own copy from the free source code; https://ardour.org/
     
     Such kind of argument is based off pure greed and is saying something like - "How dare it be possible for people to even try out the software without ".
     
     >yes go ahead and use the free alternative
     The free software is a replacement, rather than a mere alternative.
     
     >thinking both options are equal and that people aren't using the proprietary one because of some feature that the free one lacks is silly and dogmatic
     Yes, people do often use a proprietary version because they believe that nothing else has such feature - although in many cases the free version has such feature.
     
     Most innovative software features usually come to free software first and then proprietary software developers copy it (if the pushover license allows) or clone it - which comes after.
     
     >name a free software that you bought instead of building from source. donations don't count
     I always build software from source and as it turns out, nobody charges money for free software source code.
     
     I will not hesitate to pay if a good free software project asks for payment via a freedom-respecting method like Monero - but really none has asked so far.
     
     Donations do count and I have donated money to the free software foundation in exchange for the defending of freedom and releasing of free software that they do.
     
     >if there's feature parity between two tools that isn't bound by ecosystems (unlike, eg. the Adobe) everyone will go for the free one, it's human nature to be cheap fucks
     This sentence oozes immense hate for humanity.
     
     Free means freedom and has nothing to do with price.
     
     Obviously it would be human nature to use software that respects your freedom and is also gratis, instead of using software that shackles you and have a huge price.
     
     An ecosystem is something that just naturally happens, which you just observe - adobe has intentionally constructed a monopoly and exercises lock-in.
     
     Furthermore, in this case it's a good thing to be a "cheap fuck and refuse to pay an aggressor that will take that money and use it to attack humanity.
     
     
     >if people are still willing to buy csp instead of downloading krita then maybe there's something csp has that krita doesn't? hmmm could it be the freehand vector brush that allows people to do lineart they can correct later on?
     I'm pretty sure there was a freehand vector brush added in 4.0 (https://docs.krita.org/en/user_manual/vector_graphics.html), but if not, I'm pretty sure there's one in Inkscape.
     
     Oh nooooo, you have to do the lineart in inkscape first, then import it into Krita for later correction, how inconvenient!
     
     >or the posable drawing doll you can throw in to reference poses directly?
     You can import a posable drawing doll into Blender and apply reference poses - how inconvenient that you can just use a photo of the doll on its own layer instead!
     
     >or the manga panel layout presets?
     I believe that is already implemented - there are comic templates when you start a new canvas, plus a square tool, plus a startup option.
     
     If that isn't suitable, you can just download a template file of the wanted manga panel layout - how inconvenient!
     
     >no clearly it's because people hate freedom
     As those are just a handful minor convenience features, if you throw your freedom and also money against yourself because of it, you do indeed hate freedom.
     
     Looking at the "csp" prices on their website - for all of those features to be implemented, 20 people at most would need to put forward slightly less money than that for a Krita programmer to implement such before what they feel like implementing.
     
     >yet most servers run linux in spite of MS' shenanigans, because people appreciate its stability compared to windows.
     Most servers run GNU/Linux, because people appreciate how good GNU software and libraries is at working - how Linux is reasonably stable is a secondary appreciation.
     
     >iunno, i'm an artist and i found the vector brush pretty neat. are you an artist? nope
     I have drawn before and I have found free drawing software very pleasing and easy to use.
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     @mangeurdenuage @iwillbite >Someone has to have responsibility somewhere anyway
     corpos are taking responsibility because they own their code and thus they would like some privileges that come along with them taking those responsibilities, yes? compared to the alternative where you have to take responsibility for every single free software project you decide to use in your product even though you hardly had a hand in writing those code
     
     >Yes but that creates liabilities.
     so both proprietary software and free software can have liabilities and come with the possibility that they decapitate cats. so why is your original post blaming the decapitation for it being proprietary
     
     >in my region there's literally only 1 repair pc shop
     which is why your shop can survive, because it still has a physical component to it and people have to travel to get their stuff fixed, so the distance of competitors are taken into account. not so with software where you're competing with the entire internet
     
     >half a decade ago a company in my region closed because MS sued him because it's not legal to take a OEM key and install it on a new laptop/pc
     but it's that company's choice for choosing proprietary shit instead of free software isn't it. that OEM key bullshit was probably buried somewhere in the EULA. they can choose not the deal with MS when they were setting up their new computers
     
     >Windows vista, 8, 10, 11, chromebooks, adobe cloud, revocable licensing, DRM, beheading iot etc...
     "yes and that's why you should use my pair of scissors to trim your lawn instead of using that john deere"
     note i'm using john deere as an example because of their shitty drm, yet people would still rather use them instead of trimming their lawn with a pair of scissors, i wonder why
     could it be that one of them just does the job better and that's what people mainly care about?
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     @hakui @iwillbite
     >yes and taking on huge liabilities isn't cost effective
     Someone has to have responsibility somewhere anyway, and the best way to avoid issues is to do your job properly and invest into society so that retards don't eat batteries otherwise you might have to stick notices like "don't eat this battery", wait !!
     
     >still doesn't prevent
     Yes but that creates liabilities.
     
     >but that's not what people who want to be economically competitive choose
     Yes but that's moronic to do so, in the end you end up killing your workspace, in my region there's literally only 1 repair pc shop and the rest are pajeet phone stores that have almost all closed now because they can't backup data.
     You have to consider the return of investment not only for yourself, but also for the customer.
     Why would a customer pay for 120$ repair if he can get a new laptop for 200$ ?
     
     >f it's forbidden as you say then those third party spare parts shouldn't exist
     Yes we can exist, that doesn't mean we can do our work properly, or even legally, half a decade ago a company in my region closed because MS sued him because it's not legal to take a OEM key and install it on a new laptop/pc even tho it's the same customer.
     We can also talk about schematics, which we don't have, legally. Or apple stuff which is also non legal to repair outside "certified" centers. Or the manufacturer of hardware who don't make their drivers to be interoperable/public etcetera...
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     @mangeurdenuage @iwillbite >while being cost effective
     yes and taking on huge liabilities isn't cost effective
     
     >What are contracts ?
     still doesn't prevent your litter box running free software from decapitating cats if the codebase is shit and the maintainer is shit
     
     >If that logic would apply they would never buy any proprietary competitors.
     it actually is, because they know the competitor alone owns the code and they're responsible for it being economically viable
     
     >Why I don't do it ? because my function is to maintain, repair and administrate computers like I discovered when I was 15yo, it made me alive.
     sure, but that's not what people who want to be economically competitive choose
     
     >Yes, and what happens when you forbid someone to be able to enter a deal exchange of lets say computer repair ? be it directly or indirectly.
     i see third party spare parts on the market, if it's forbidden as you say then those third party spare parts shouldn't exist
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     @mangeurdenuage @iwillbite >Free software was never about costing less
     sure, but running a business is. if costs are too high they're just not going to do it
     
     >And can cost even less if they finance the original author directly
     original author takes the money and goes "dude trust me lmao"
     
     >Because they can hide behind the shadows
     no, because it's uneconomical to take on the liabilities of an entire free software project just because you want to use it to make something
     
     if you think you can somehow turn a profit making a litter box running on free software why don't you do it then
     
     >My understanding of the free market is easy, to be able to have a free market you cannot forbid someone to forbid
     free market only concerns with ownership and freedom to enter a deal of exchange
     
     >Want to change code ? fuck you!
     yes because ownership of the code is with the corpo and they didn't release it
     
     >Ten and myself around 3k without tax
     you're running a maintenance service, not developing software for sale. big difference
     
     >What's the revolution about owning something ?
     you're trying to forbid software owners from enforcing their ownership
     
     >If it was the case wouldn't everyone just use free/libre software ?
     unfortunately, you know, there's this minor issue of "most free alternatives are shit"
     blender is a good example of the exception, but the norm is unfortunately not the case
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     @hakui @iwillbite
     >but running a business is. if costs are too high they're just not going to do it
     Of course, but running a business is mainly providing something the market wants while being cost effective, if we would have organic demand on the market we would still be using windows xp, skype and more.
     
     >original author takes the money and goes "dude trust me lmao"
     What are contracts ?
     
     >because it's uneconomical to take on the liabilities of an entire free software project just because you want to use it to make something
     If that logic would apply they would never buy any proprietary competitors.
     
     >if you think you can somehow turn a profit making a litter box running on free software why don't you do it then
     A lot of bullshit companies already did that with their "smart" things, people buy hardware, install apps with subscriptions or data selling.
     Why I don't do it ? because my function is to maintain, repair and administrate computers like I discovered when I was 15yo, it made me alive.
     
     >free market only concerns with ownership and freedom to enter a deal of exchange
     Yes, and what happens when you forbid someone to be able to enter a deal exchange of lets say computer repair ? be it directly or indirectly.
     
     >not developing software for sale. big difference
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     @hakui @iwillbite
     >then people aren't going to make stuff based on free software if it means they have to hire someone to do a full code audit every time
     Free software was never about costing less. And even in this case it still cost less. And can cost even less if they finance the original author directly.
     
     >and then you wonder why the only ones in the market are proprietary
     Because they can hide behind the shadows :hands: ?
     
     >i'm beginning to suspect your definition of a "free market" is rather............unorthodox
     My understanding of the free market is easy, to be able to have a free market you cannot forbid someone to forbid.
     Which is literally what proprietary software/hardware does directly and indirectly. Want to change code ? fuck you! want to share code ? fuck you! want to execute code ? fuck you! want to read or share data that is legal today but not tomorrow ? fuck you ! want to repair hardware ? fuck you ! want to buy a specific component to repair hardware ? fuck you! etc...
     
     >and for those free software projects that list a minimum cost of manpower,
     I agree, and that's what I'm trying to establish if you haven't understood my plan.
     
     >do you pay them that minimum cost in order to gain access to them?
     Ten and myself around 3k without tax (2k after tax). For every 204 customer/donators.
     
     >morality is always going to be a minority in the sea of incentives
     Until social structure falls apart and people realize how much they love freedom, but that's late and will require 20x times the amount of efforts and suffering needed to go back to stable normality.
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     @hakui @iwillbite
     >lad the cat already got decapitated that's enough proof
     From my experience with legal bullshit it isn't.
     
     >and who are you going to press charges against in a free software project?
     No, since there's a physical product tied to this then it's the people who sold the product who didn't properly do their job.
     
     >he license is going to say it's "provided as-is and no warranties are made for the software"
     Yes, to the seller, and the seller has to apply the minimum safety measures that protectionism apply, which they still try to go around by adding shit like "don't let you pet unsupervised around the automated tool".
     
     >just make a comparable competitor with feature parity
     Or just let the market be free ?
     
     >does the butcher just give you their meat for free up front and only ask you give them money if you feel like it?
     I've seen some do it, restaurants too, they're usually located in none diverse places.
     Sadly in my locality it's diverse enough for them to not do that, the farmer does trust me and doesn't mind if I way next week to pay them.
     In such exchange of physical good I would put a sign displaying the minimum cost of manufacturing so that people could have an idea of the efforts it needed to make X.
     
     >the difference between a donation and a buy
     I'm not denying the legal definition of that. I'm speaking of the moral implications. Either way you retribute someone's efforts/finance someone's life.
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     @mangeurdenuage @iwillbite >No, since there's a physical product tied to this then it's the people who sold the product who didn't properly do their job.
     then people aren't going to make stuff based on free software if it means they have to hire someone to do a full code audit every time they want to make something. and then you wonder why the only ones in the market are proprietary
     
     >Or just let the market be free ?
     yes no one's stopping you from making a comparable competitor with feature parity. i'm beginning to suspect your definition of a "free market" is rather............unorthodox
     
     >In such exchange of physical good I would put a sign displaying the minimum cost of manufacturing so that people could have an idea of the efforts it needed to make X
     and for those free software projects that list a minimum cost of manpower, do you pay them that minimum cost in order to gain access to them? i doubt they exist in the first place, you should think why it's the case
     
     >I'm speaking of the moral implications
     morality is always going to be a minority in the sea of incentives
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     @hakui @iwillbite
     >"oh no my toaster thinks it's 1900 i'm going to die" said no one ever
     Something something banks...Airports....
     
     >if it ran on free software but almost nobody contributes to the project besides a few p
     If it ran on free software legal pursuit could have happened thanks to publicly auditable code as proof. Which isn't the case with proprietary software.
     
     >enjoy having no sales
     Who cares about sales if you provide services ? Either way the product is not physical.
     
     >to keep it within the corpo so they can continue to get their return on investment on it
     That's also called a sect. Or a monopoly.
     
     >on a completely voluntary basis instead of a market-based trade
     Yes, voluntary in the sense that I know that people need to also live, just like when I pay food when I buy veggies at the farmer or meat at the butcher. I could steal if I wanted or if I was in danger but thanks to some anonymous people I don't have too.
     Again this is tied to societal trust. In a low trust society you'll see chimpout lootings regularly, in a high trust one you won't.
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     @mangeurdenuage @iwillbite >Something something banks...Airports....
     "oh no my fiat is gone and i can't fly" still doesn't kill you, "i have no bread and i will starve" still does
     
     >If it ran on free software legal pursuit could have happened thanks to publicly auditable code as proof
     lad the cat already got decapitated that's enough proof. and who are you going to press charges against in a free software project? the license is going to say it's "provided as-is and no warranties are made for the software"
     
     ironically you'd have more luck pressing charges against a corpo
     
     >Or a monopoly
     you can stop them from being a monopoly, just make a comparable competitor with feature parity lol
     
     >Yes, voluntary in the sense that I know that people need to also live, just like when I pay food when I buy veggies at the farmer or meat at the butcher
     still a donation. does the butcher just give you their meat for free up front and only ask you give them money if you feel like it? no they insist on a trade. again, the difference between a donation and a buy
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     @mangeurdenuage @iwillbite >What was the Y2K bug about again ?
     "oh no my toaster thinks it's 1900 i'm going to die" said no one ever
     
     >I could use like what happened recently with the cats getting guillotined by proprietary litter boxes.
     that happened because of shit code, not because the code was proprietary. if it ran on free software but almost nobody contributes to the project besides a few pajeets it's highly likely that the same bug will have been uncaught until it happened
     
     >Ever heard of trademark ?
     doesn't matter, building from source instead of buying your copy. enjoy having no sales
     
     >their maintenance can only be done by specialized minds
     it's not "specialized", it's "authorized"
     that's what the license does, to keep it within the corpo so they can continue to get their return on investment on it
     
     >I financed software that I already posses
     on a completely voluntary basis instead of a market-based trade. where another person in a similar situation could decide not to do so at all and just use it for free. that's a donation, not a buy
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     >imagine comparing something you need to biologically survive with something abstract
     What was the Y2K bug about again ?
     "Joke" aside we're using analogies to better understand our interactions with digital tools.
     I could use like what happened recently with the cats getting guillotined by proprietary litter boxes.
     Some protectionism is normal to have otherwise some people would still sell radioactive products even in foods.
     
     >we should release it and lose almost all our sales instead"
     Ever heard of trademark ? Because that's what people do to sell their chinesium clones.
     Here's another analogy
     Corn brand 1, Corn brand 2, Hammer brand 1, Hammer brand 2, in any case people will go for what the consider the best in terms of quality and cost, if a brand fails it's either because the product was bad or they failed to provided proper maintenance/repairs.
     
     >why would you buy a john deere? it's not critical to your survival you can cut the lawn with a pair of scissors instead
     https://shitposter.world/notice/Alset18SS7s9jmRlQm
     " their maintenance can only be done by specialized minds"
     Maintenance of a lawnmower doesn't require much knowledge compared to CS.
     
     >so i take it you didn't buy any free software then
     I financed software that I already posses. just like I pay for the taxes that maintains the roads, pay politicians gay prostitutes&drugs and finances war.
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     >that just shows how unviable you think free software is economically that you feel you need protectionism for it lmao
     Why does the food industry needs protectionism then ? Doesn't it show how economically nonviable it is ?
     
     >as there are a lot of free software that are successful and being used widely
     Usage doesn't equate success, and that applies to proprietary software. Look at MS, the only reason why it's everywhere it's because it's the defacto OS sold on IBM clones, Chrome ? because it installed itself like any malware at the time, via freewares etc...
     
     >there are just not enough autists that know what the users need
     True, so does the marketers who thinks that Jack welsh was a genius.
     So do the users themselves, as they don't even know how to choose a tech. Tech too when you think about it because they're trained to satisfy the market demand thanks to their sponsored courses... oh wait.... doesn't that mean that the market demand isn't organic ? :pikasurprise:
     
     >the unfree licenses are them making sure they'll get a return on investment
     That's not incorrect as that's the initial goal but it turned out to be a fallacy to think so as otherwise "piracy" would not exist. Today they also allows a certain percentage of pseudo "freeware" otherwise they'd make people less dependent on their tool since, they also get a return on invest on the brain time availability that users give to their product.
     
     >but thinking both options are equal
     I'm not saying they are.
     
     >and that people aren't using the proprietary one because of some feature that the free one lacks is silly and dogmatic
     There's a need to be pragmatic short term and long term, short term you can compromise depending on your context like for example if you need to use it for work, but why would you finance proprietary software for personal small fun project ? It's not critical to your survival.
     Then you also have to invest long term. And as everything unfold progressively you can't invest long term with proprietary software otherwise you end up going back to the minitel.
     
     >donations don't count
     Bullshit. The goal of even donations is to finance manpower so that they can continuously maintain it.
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     @mangeurdenuage @iwillbite >Why does the food industry needs protectionism then ? Doesn't it show how economically nonviable it is ?
     because, iunno, being completely dependent on other countries for food means you're at the mercy of their whims? imagine comparing something you need to biologically survive with something abstract lol
     
     >Look at MS, the only reason why it's everywhere it's because it's the defacto OS sold on IBM clones
     yet most servers run linux in spite of MS' shenanigans, because people appreciate its stability compared to windows. that's the point i'm trying to make here, your tangent here is irrelevant
     
     >So do the users themselves
     iunno, i'm an artist and i found the vector brush pretty neat. are you an artist? nope
     
     >it turned out to be a fallacy to think so as otherwise "piracy" would not exist
     "yes we're losing a portion of sales due to piracy so clearly keeping it proprietary is a failure, we should release it and lose almost all our sales instead"
     
     >but why would you finance proprietary software for personal small fun project ? It's not critical to your survival
     why would you buy a john deere? it's not critical to your survival you can cut the lawn with a pair of scissors instead
     
     >Bullshit
     so i take it you didn't buy any free software then :smug1:
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     >the law forbids you from murdering your competition
     >that's not free market
     Libertarian moment or anarchist moment ?
     
     To quote Rms:
     "Isn't it ironic that the proprietary software developers call us communists? We are the ones who have provided for a free market, where they allow only monopoly."
     
     Does making their software under GPL change anything ? They can still trademark and still sell it.
     Can they sell it like a physical tool, yes, but that's unwise. Can they sell it and run maintenance as a service ? yes, and that's the best balanced exchange you can provide to user.
     
     There's a clear issue with digital tools that haven't been taken into account, and that's the nature of them being able to emulate "god" via proxy omnipotence/omnipresence functions, the fact that their maintenance can only be done by specialized minds, that their copies are penniless to make and finally duplicating/copying does not require specialized minds, makes the whole thing completely alien to what humanity is used too.
     
     Software-market freedom only allows the natural rights you have with physical tools to be applied on digital tools.
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     @mangeurdenuage @iwillbite >comparing being unable to compete with being murdered
     that just shows how unviable you think free software is economically that you feel you need protectionism for it lmao
     
     that mindset's not even true, as there are a lot of free software that are successful and being used widely
     
     the thing is that for some genres of software there are just not enough autists that know what the users need /and/ are interested in developing for them in their free time, that corpos decide to step in and fund their own (the unfree licenses are them making sure they'll get a return on investment and not have people bypassing them and building their own copy from the freely available source)
     
     don't like it? yes go ahead and use the free alternative, but thinking both options are equal and that people aren't using the proprietary one because of some feature that the free one lacks is silly and dogmatic
     
     >yes but they can still trademark and sell it
     name a free software that you bought instead of building from source. donations don't count
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     @mangeurdenuage @iwillbite >free market for software
     doesn't sound very free market if you are trying to prevent proprietary software from reaching the market
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     @hakui >yes we're losing a portion of sales due to piracy so clearly keeping it proprietary is a failure, we should release it and lose almost all our sales instead
     The whole concept of unauthorized copying == lost sales is complete bullshit.
     
     A company has *made* money if someone has actually paid for a copy and then unauthorized copied it (with the company losing $0 with each successive copy made) - unfortunately each of those copies is a potential sale from each sucker.
     
     I know this, because microsoft was and is very pleased when China and many other countries use unauthorized copies of their software instead of using GNU/Linux - as all of those people get locked-in the proprietary jail and eventually it becomes time for them to pay.
     
     That is one of the reasons why I recommend against running unauthorized copies of proprietary malware - eventually many of those people will be forced or convinced to pay and humanity loses.
     
     >why would you buy a john deere? it's not critical to your survival you can cut the lawn with a pair of scissors instead
     Yes, only the stupid now buy a John Deere farming implement instead of farming implements available elsewhere.
     
     Farmers who previously made the mistake of renting a John Deere tractor usually never do so again - some have even gone back to using decades old tractors that they have no problem repairing.
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     @hakui >"oh no my toaster thinks it's 1900 i'm going to die" said no one ever
     The only reason why a huge number of computer systems didn't fail was due to the immense expense and effort put into work to make the software operate after 1999 - which is why no-one said at the time; "On no, the hospital system totally collapsed and I have lowest priority on the triage - I'm going to die".
     
     >that happened because of shit code, not because the code was proprietary.
     Most proprietary code is dogshit and *will* eventually guillotine you if that is in any way possible.
     
     >if it ran on free software but almost nobody contributes to the project besides a few indians it's highly likely that the same bug will have been uncaught until it happened
     Most free software is developed by one developer and typically if that developer is competent, they usually deliver reasonable reliable software.
     
     Also, unlike proprietary software, such kind of bug typically gets fixed when reporters.
     
     Based off memory, the few free software developers that are also Indian that I'm aware of are quite competent.
     
     >doesn't matter, building from source instead of buying your copy. enjoy having no sales
     Blatantly false as pointed out before, but I'll point it out again; https://community.ardour.org/download
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     @hakui >that's what the license does, to keep it within the corpo so they can continue to get their return on investment on it
     If the corpo wanted to keep it in the corpo, they simply wouldn't publish the software.
     
     The whole idea that the government should maintain serious restrictions, that go against society and good nature, even if that actually (it doesn't) guarantees a handful of corpos a return on investment is ridiculous.
     
     >on a completely voluntary basis instead of a market-based trade. where another person in a similar situation could decide not to do so at all and just use it for free. that's a donation, not a buy
     Writing "for free" is oxymoronic unless you mean; "for freedom".
     
     Many free software projects are maintained just fine on donations
     
     A market-based trade operates on the exchange of actual products, not something that operates on the restriction of copying that anyone can do with a computer.
     
     >guess what, we're at the low trust part of the cycle. people who are still stuck in a high trust mindset are finding their cats eaten
     That concept is in no way related
     
     If someone makes a copy of the software, $0 has been lost and there is the potential of a future sale.
     
     If someone eats a cat, that cat is dead.
     
     >there are reasons why people still choose to use proprietary shit and "because i want to fit in with the crowd" does not apply in csp
     Yes, there is probably another reason than that, but I'll probably put it down to; "stupidly and lack of respect of own freedom", as there is minimal existing lock-in.
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     @hakui >lad the cat already got decapitated that's enough proof. and who are you going to press charges against in a free software project? the license is going to say it's "provided as-is and no warranties are made for the software"
     Who are you going to press charges against in a proprietary software project? The "EULA" always notes that you agree that there is no warranty.
     
     >ironically you'd have more luck pressing charges against a corpo
     False - you'll have less luck - "EULAs" are now often going so far that they say you indemnify the company against even negligent losses and are not allowed to sue them and can only undergo arbitration.
     
     >you can stop them from being a monopoly, just make a comparable competitor with feature parity lol
     Just because software has feature parity won't magically make a monopoly backed by large amounts of arguably effectively stolen money and conned governments disappear.
     
     GNU/Linux far exceeds macos in features, quantity of quality software and functionality and macos is still a monopoly.
     
     >still a donation. does the butcher just give you their meat for no charge up front and only ask you give them money if you feel like it? no they insist on a trade. again, the difference between a donation and a buy
     This is a false equivalence.
     
     Meat is actually a physical thing and so obviously can only be sustainably traded for money or barter.
     
     If the GNU/Meat was unlimited and the GNU/Butcher quite enjoyed carving up the GNU/Meat, clearly that GNU/Butcher would ask customers to give them money if they feel like it and the GNU/Butcher would keep on carving as long as he received enough money (some GNU/Butchers even feel that GNU/Meat carving is an art in itself and don't even ask for donations).
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     @hakui >true believers can run on ideology alone but they're a minority
     A real shame.
     
     >most people only care about stuff like "does it Just Werk", "is the catastrophic failure rare enough and is the impact limited", "can i get economical utility out of doing this"
     Most people are quite poor at judging such things and so keep using software that doesn't work, has catastrophic failures that aren't rare with large impacts and with a huge cost that negates economic utility (for example, windows).
     
     >then people aren't going to make stuff based on free software if it means they have to hire someone to do a full code audit every time they want to make something. and then you wonder why the only ones in the market are proprietary
     I don't see any case where a product would requires a code audit to use free software, that wouldn't require a code audit to use proprietary software.
     
     Most proprietary software developers are clowns and you can't trust them to have audited their software.
     
     Most free software does actually have a code quality higher than most proprietary software (for example, GNU software has shown to exhibit a much lower error rate per line than typical proprietary programs).
     
     >yes no one's stopping you from making a comparable competitor with feature parity.
     Many companies indeed are.
     
     Patents make it legally impossible to implement certain things in free software.
     
     There are many cases of lock-in and undocumented formats that makes a comparable "competitor" extremely difficult.
     
     Even with all that, in all cases of free software with significant development, eventually the software does become functionally superior and keeps going.
     
     >and for those free software projects that list a minimum cost of manpower, do you pay them that minimum cost in order to gain access to them?
     I don't believe there is such case, but I would indeed do so for quality software.
     
     >"what do i get out of it" is universal
     That is sad a pathetic level of consciousness.
     
     >then maybe you might start to understand why corpos want to make it so that the exchange of fiat for their software continues when it is the incentive of most people to not want to exchange fiat for software
     Most corpos do *not* make it an exchange of fiat for their software anymore.
     
     They make it an ongoing rent, otherwise the sabotaged software stops functioning.
     
     Anyone with sanity wouldn't want to pay an ongoing rent for software to merely function.
     
     Many businesses have the option of using free software without paying, but they make the choice to pay an ongoing rent to receive support and fixes to the software (which isn't generally offered with proprietary software - proprietary software companies will often accept bug reports, but will proceed to tell you to increase the monthly cost to receive the next version and see if it's fixed - and often it isn't).
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     @hakui >Free software was never about costing less >sure, but running a business is. if costs are too high they're just not going to do it
     Running a business without much existing competition isn't about costing less (as any costs can be dumped on the customer).
     
     In my personal experience, running proprietary software costs a fortune but free software is very cheap, as you don't need to keep paying rent to an extortionist.
     
     Escaping lock-in does seem to have an enormous cost, but as soon as that cost has been passed, it turns out that such costs were only in the short term and caused by the proprietary software and costs are less.
     
     >original author takes the money and goes "dude trust me lmao"
     If the author intends to keep their hard gained trust in the community and any later money, they will deliver on what they agreed to.
     
     Meanwhile, proprietary software developers are notorious for taking the money and not delivering.
     
     >yes because ownership of the code is with the corpo and they didn't release it
     Copyright restrictions has nothing to do with ownership - it has to do with controllership.
     
     The corpo did release the code - in object code form.
     
     >you're trying to forbid software owners from enforcing their ownership
     He's giving advice to think about how the software restrictors are enforcing their ownership of you.
     
     >unfortunately, you know, there's this minor issue of "most free alternatives are shit"
     Yes, gratis, proprietary software written to be an alternative are always shit.
     
     Free software with hard development work put into it and that are written to be replacements of proprietary malware are always great - blender is one example, same as gcc, same as Emacs, same as Linux (1993-1996 only), same as GNU Zebra, same as GNU speex, same as gnupg, same as gnuTLS, same as libgcrypt, same as glibc, same as GNU coreutils, same as GNU readline, same as GNU mailman, same as GNU health, same as GNU unifont, same as GNU make (microsoft used it), same as GNU autotools, same as GNU nano (replaced the proprietary pico), same as Kicad - that really such scratches the surface, there are many cases which demonstrate that free software being better than what they replace are not a mere exception.
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     @Do @mangeurdenuage @hakui @iwillbite pain comparable to getting fucked by a license that is subscription as opposed to using Krita and not dealing with that shit
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     >you're going off topic
     I'm very tired and in pain, going to make a radio/ultrasound in about 28 minutes.
     
     >lmao
     Windows vista, 8, 10, 11, chromebooks, adobe cloud, revocable licensing, DRM, beheading iot etc...
     Nobody asked for that and still it was sold to them.
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     @mangeurdenuage @hakui @iwillbite Get well soon! :pepe_hug: Proprietary and/or unmaintained software is typically a pain, but the whole biological human situation has a few comparable issues too. :thinking_rms:
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     @mangeurdenuage @iwillbite >Yes but I'm taking into account the cost of Technical debt which Nobody does, and results in the clusterfuck we have.
     the original subtopic was about exchanging fiat up front for software. you're going off topic
     
     >No the goal of software freedom is to avoid people being forbidden to apply the natural rights they have with physical tools with digital tools
     and remove the incentive for making their own sleek functional tools instead of the clankers you have to show for your movement
     
     >demand isn't organic
     "people wanting things that aren't shit aren't organic" lmao
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     >not developing software for sale. big difference
     Yes but I'm taking into account the cost of Technical debt which Nobody does, and results in the clusterfuck we have.
     And due to the bullshit legal system of my country I had to find a way to make developing public software economically viable for a single individual. Otherwise it's impossible due to taxation.
     
     >you're trying to forbid software owners from enforcing their ownership
     No the goal of software freedom is to avoid people being forbidden to apply the natural rights they have with physical tools with digital tools.
     
     >there's this minor issue of "most free alternatives are shit"
     Yeah, and maybe the fact that the demand isn't organic doesn't help either. I mean who demands to have their software or even OS going back to the minitel lol.
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     @hakui TLDR; Stop shilling proprietary software with false equivalences and untruths without at least getting paid.
     
     At least go to microsoft or adobe or google and ask them to pay you to shill and maybe they'll give you 5 bucks out of pity or even hire you.
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     @Do Unmaintained free software typically isn't an issue if it was half decently written and you have all the source code, as you can usually just apply a quick kludge to get it to compile and it does the job.
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     @hakui Unfortunately, I failed the autism test and have been diagnosed as not autistic.
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     @iska @Suiseiseki autism
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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info what the hell is this thread

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     @hakui What kind of digital handcuffs does either implement?
     
     Will it be possible to trivially re-install it a decade down the line if you get a new computer, or will that require non-trivial workarounds?
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     @PurpCat @Do @iwillbite @mangeurdenuage guess what, csp isn't on a subscription
     
     neither is the Adobe CS6
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     @hakui I mow lawns with a mechanical lawnmower that doesn't require proprietary software.
     
     Most electric and motorized lawnmowers don't run proprietary software either.
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     @Suiseiseki come back again when you've mowed your lawn with a pair of scissors
     
     replies that take more effort than a snarky quip to follow once i reach home
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     @hakui There is no ecosystem - there is a free GNU/Island painstakingly built, program by program, to be floating far away from the proprietary ground.
     
     Any issues are never artificially caused and therefore most issues require trivial workarounds to resolve.
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     @Suiseiseki lad your entire ecosystem is based on non-trivial workarounds
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     @hakui >but according to your other posts john deere is proprietary so they must have the magical monopoly powers to shut down all the other alternatives, how are you using a free lawnmower???
     Do not twist my words into something that I did not write.
     
     I explicitly mentioned that they're free replacements rather than mere alternatives.
     
     I guess I have to spell it out to you - just because there are freedom-respecting lawnmowers, that also just work, that doesn't magically make John Deere's monopoly on restricting its farming implements disappear.
     
     >"i-i signed up for this, t-therefore i consider it trivial"
     There has been many such cases of me having to work out how to fix proprietary software - it's always a nightmare.
     
     When it comes to fixing free software, you usually just need to look at the log and it tells you what went wrong.
     
     >asking your mom to cancel your meetings is also trivial i bet
     That meme refers to the proprietary systemd/Linux distro known as "Arch", which had a crap package manager that would go and overwrite Xorg.conf.
     
     Manually configuring Xorg.conf to get a working X session hasn't been required for many years (I think 10-25 years or more).
     
     I've only ever configured xorg.conf.d on one computer (as I used i3 instead of xfce4) and that configuration has worked just fine for years without causing Xorg to break.
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     @Suiseiseki "i-i signed up for this, t-therefore i consider it trivial"
     
     asking your mom to cancel your meetings is also trivial i bet
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     @hakui @Do @mangeurdenuage @iwillbite imagine having to pay for feature updates
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     @Do @hakui @iwillbite @mangeurdenuage btw the only reason people use csp is all the other trendy internet artists do it's like paint tool sai was in the 00s when every DeviantArt and Pokemon porn artist used it
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     @PurpCat @Do @iwillbite @mangeurdenuage "yes all the csp and sai users are sheep, there exists nobody who legitimately require their features in their workflow"