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Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:38:02 JST 
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Pleroma-tan (kirby@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:37:54 JST 
Pleroma-tan
@tyler @dick @briar @cowanon i can actually see it without root privileges on openbsd but maybe it's different on certain linux distros? -
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Mancow Muller ? (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:37:55 JST 
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Hold on, I apparently don't have fstab. -
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Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:37:55 JST
Tyler
yeah you do
$ cat /etc/fstab
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Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:37:56 JST
Tyler
Your swap isn't just mounted to a file at /swap.img?
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dick (dick@annihilation.social)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:37:57 JST 
dick
@tyler @briar @cowanon i just dont believe kde does that and you actualy just suck and breeak your own linux -
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Mancow Muller ? (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:37:57 JST
Mancow Muller ?
I don't remember the specifics but I do know it was definitely KDE's fault. I never broke Linux doing anything else.
Speaking of possibly breaking Linux, I'd love to ice my swap partition and make it part of my root partition but I'm to skeerd to try without wrecking everything. I'd rather just buy a new PC instead of knocking over the house of cards of this 10-yo beast. -
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Mancow Muller ? (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:37:58 JST
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I used KDE twice at length and each time it ended up crashing to the point that I was unable to do anything but wipe my drive and reinstall a different distro and DE. Yes, KDE even managed to crash Slackware, the otherwise rock-solid distro. Other than that I liked KDE.
Right now I'm using MATE. Eh, I'm neutral to it. I was just DE-hopping for a while and most of them seem so similar as to have negligible differences. -
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Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:37:58 JST
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Often KDE does not play nice if you ever had another de installed and never fully removed everything first. -
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Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:37:59 JST
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I was earlier this year, now KDE. KDE is a lot better in a lot of ways. Other ways a bit annoying but I still like it better. -
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Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:38:00 JST
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whoops -
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Mancow Muller ? (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:38:00 JST
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Looks like you're using Gnome. -
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Briar (briar@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:38:01 JST 
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Looks like a picture that gets zoomed in on with the narrator speaking on one of those unsolved crime shows where they want you to know he did it. -
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Mancow Muller ? (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:42:08 JST
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Oh, silly me, I was just typing fstab.
$ cat /etc/fstab
# Pluggable devices are handled by uDev, they are not in fstab
UUID=f95a08b2-7f2f-4c99-afdf-8356da8438df / ext4 defaults,noatime 1 1
UUID=6e74fe3c-e04c-4d07-9d03-835c686d0521 /home ext4 defaults,noatime 1 2
UUID=89ee2a00-064d-42a3-bdcd-7168333d7794 swap swap defaults 0 0Pleroma-tan likes this. -
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Pleroma-tan (kirby@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:42:20 JST
Pleroma-tan
@tyler @briar @cowanon @dick This Is Just Speculation, Though™️ -
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Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:42:20 JST
Tyler
it's not really sensitive Pleroma-tan likes this. -
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Pleroma-tan (kirby@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:44:39 JST
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@tyler @dick @briar @cowanon yeah was just thinking about how my theory didn't make any sense, oh well -
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Mancow Muller ? (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:45:58 JST
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I'm using a debian-based distro at the moment. Pleroma-tan likes this. -
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Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:49:30 JST
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idk how the luks-crypt configs are stored, it's been a while since I've done that. But I guess it's all with LVM2 so might be easier (I personally hated it) Pleroma-tan likes this. -
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?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:50:56 JST 
?? Humpleupagus ??
Why does your fstab say that pluggable devices are handles by udev? You can mount usb drives or other pluggable storage via fstab. -
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?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:51:45 JST
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I never use a swap. I rarely use over 2gb of memory. -
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WilhelmIII (wilhelmiii@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:51:46 JST 
WilhelmIII
On systems like a Rapsberry Pi or a PINE64, I have gotten away with setting swappiness to zero and having no swap file at all. ?? Humpleupagus ?? likes this. -
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Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:51:47 JST
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You could also put your swap on an NFS or Samba share if you REALLY wanted to :kek_really: -
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Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:51:48 JST
Tyler
if you want to make it where it's not a swap partition, but just an empty file on your disk, you can use the mkswap, swapon, swapoff, dd, and mount commands (read their man pages) and then write it in fstab. (read the man page on fstab as well)
first create a new swap file wherever you want with dd, whatever size you want (it must be contiguous sectors)
then mkswap it
then swapon it
then swapoff your partition
then change your fstab to point to the swapfile
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WilhelmIII (wilhelmiii@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:51:48 JST
WilhelmIII
On a desktop system you can reduce your swappiness too. -
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Mancow Muller ? (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:57:40 JST
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Thanks to Minecraft being so shittily optimized and so full of java leaks I can easily run out of even 32gb memory. It's the main reason, for my next PC, I'd be perfectly fine wasting a couple extra hundreds getting to 64, 96, or even 128gb RAM. I've also heard you can load your OS into RAM somehow but I don't know how to do that. I imagine things would be super speedy. -
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WilhelmIII (wilhelmiii@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:57:40 JST
WilhelmIII
I built a separate Windows box for gaming.
My Linux desktop has 32GB and I never run out of RAM.?? Humpleupagus ?? likes this. -
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?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 16:58:35 JST
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My windows cpu has 128gb of ram. 😏
The most I have in a linux box is 16gb. -
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WilhelmIII (wilhelmiii@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:03:10 JST
WilhelmIII
That's why I have a separate system.
I do nothing on the Windows system but gaming and some video processing, since its got a hot video card.
All of my real work happens on my Linux box.?? Humpleupagus ?? likes this. -
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Mancow Muller ? (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:03:11 JST
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My hate for windows knows no limit so there's no way I'd tolerate having that spyware installed on any of my PC's unless I were to somehow keep it off the Internet. -
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WilhelmIII (wilhelmiii@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:07:28 JST
WilhelmIII
I was trying to run Diablo 3 and Fallout 4 in Wine on my Linux box and it was failing miserably.
So I built a Windows box just for gaming.
Now the Linux box is pretty overbuilt. -
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?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:07:28 JST
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The windows cpu is used for music production, hence the amount of ram for loading sample libraries, etc. It's an i9-9980xe (18 core) on an asus rog rampage VI extreme encore oc'd to 4.5ghz. -
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?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:15:47 JST
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An ssd alone can make a huge difference. I just bought a couple of low end ones to refurbish a few old cpus. I got the boot time on an old hp laptop with a core 2 duo down from 90 seconds to 17. -
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Mancow Muller ? (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:15:48 JST
Mancow Muller ?
I've used Puppy to recover my system about three times now and was always surprised at how fast it could go. -
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Mancow Muller ? (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:15:48 JST
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It says MX Linux can run in RAM but I've never figured out how to do so:
https://distrowatch.com/search.php?category=From+RAM#simple -
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☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:15:49 JST 
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@cowanon @Humpleupagus @dick @WilhelmIII @briar @tyler > I've also heard you can load your OS into RAM somehow but I don't know how to do that
I’m honestly surprised this hasn’t become more common. I’ve been running Puppylinux on a variety of systems since like 2006 or so, and Tails somewhat more recently, and they both run like bats out of hell on whatever hardware. There are some compatibility issues that take a bit of work, but 99/100 times someone else in forums has already done the heavy lifting to hammer it out. -
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Mancow Muller ? (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:20:27 JST
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I've been rocking a regular SSD since I first got this PC and it's definitely made a difference! I just wish it wasn't only 256gb.. But I'd rather just get a whole new PC with NMVE or whatever kind of SSD that's supposedly even faster. ?? Humpleupagus ?? likes this. -
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HonkHonkBoom (honkhonkboom@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:31:06 JST 
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@cowanon @Humpleupagus @dick @WilhelmIII @briar @tyler @KingOfWhiteAmerica the drastically higher concurrent iops on nvme is much more impactful in daily use than the actual speed of the drive, but that helps too.. ?? Humpleupagus ?? likes this. -
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?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:46:34 JST
?? Humpleupagus ??
The nice thing about linux is you can do stupid, but useful stuff.
For example, I have a midi controller with faders that I use to control xorg (brightness, gamma, etc), so when I'm gaming I can turn off (brightness 0) monitors I'm not using with a slider.
I also recently added a second pointer device, so I could use a mouse to select and scroll windows while my keyboard remained in the editor for taking notes and pasting in what I copy with my mouse. I have a hotkey to switch between normal and split mode depending on need. -
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Mancow Muller ? (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:46:35 JST
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Yeah. I lost motivation to learn for the sake of learning and was just satisfied after getting things set up to shitpost and play game. :pepe_sad: I'd like to become a super l33t hax0r like I wanted to be when I was a teenager and do all sorts of magical things with Linux... -
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Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:46:35 JST
Tyler
I know it. I did fix some bugs in some software I wrote today but normally I just get on fedi and bullshit, lose motivation.
I won't leave here but I do need to set goals where I won't hop on unless X or Y -
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Mancow Muller ? (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:46:36 JST
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Maybe I'll try all that with my new PC. Hopefully I can learn to be moar Linux commands instead of just stopping the learning process after getting vidya to work. -
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Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:46:36 JST
Tyler
There's sense to the need-driven learning approach. Often though if you don't teach it to someone or at least finish your reading, you end up data dumping it.
Robert elder software on YouTube has a good set of primer shorts on the coreutils. -
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Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:46:37 JST
Tyler
My beloved, you didn't know was fstab was, please start with basics and learn about what you already have
Read the man page for dpkg-query, with it you can find out what files belong to what packages, and then learn about those packages
Can learn all sorts of super useful tools and become human encyclopedia -
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☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:46:38 JST
☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️
@cowanon @dick @Humpleupagus @WilhelmIII @briar @tyler Yeah I tried it one time, but I didn’t get too far. For how long I’ve been using Linux in general I suppose I don’t have much of an excuse - but I’m not really that fast on a command prompt and I was obliged to spend days/weeks to get MX up to the level of functionality I could squeeze out of Puppy right out of the gate. I *wish* I have free time like that 😩😏 -
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Mancow Muller ? (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:46:38 JST
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I'm now tempted to make Puppy my main distro... but I don't know how easy it'd be to find software for it. With debian based distros pretty much everything is available to it out of the gate with a simple apt-get or .deb double-click. I don't know if I could get Minecraft or other "major" applications to work with less popular distros. -
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Mancow Muller ? (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:48:53 JST
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Problem in my case i, I don't really know what "Linux magic" I could perform. I remember a long time ago when I was at my first job as a tech assistant at my high school, the tech lead had several headless servers and one monitor/keyboard/mouse setup and he'd just type a hotkey combo and switch between PCs. That I think would be cool to do. But that's just one example; what else could I do? I don't know what I don't know. -
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?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:48:53 JST
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Barrier is a nice kvm switch for xorg. You can position where each cpu is for purposes of sharing the mouse and keyboard. -
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?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:51:14 JST
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I'm lazy. I usually have my keyboard in my lap and my midi controller in arms reach. I have to get up to touch the monitors. -
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Mancow Muller ? (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:51:15 JST
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Sounds like some wicked shit, brosef. At the moment if I want to concentrate on one monitor I have to click the power button. Probably easier than using a midi controller but it sure feels good and creative to come up with new ways to do normal things. -
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☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:55:59 JST
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@Humpleupagus @tyler @dick @WilhelmIII @briar @cowanon Oh man, one of my favorite Linux victories was using grep to modify color settings on 156 separate Inkscape .svg/.xml files. That was stupid and awesome. -
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?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 17:55:59 JST
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Grep... old af but still useful. I have a script that checks for new documents on my file server when I'm sleeping and converts them to a hidden txt file with an arbitrary extension I made up, so I can grep those particular documents for provisions, etc, when I need to find that kinda stuff.
Knowing sed and regex is also a must. -
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?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 18:00:24 JST
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The point I was trying to make is that linux with a bit of scripting can do some interesting stuff. Everyone has different needs, but there are ways to simplify what ever may be your common tasks. -
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Mancow Muller ? (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 18:00:25 JST
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Huh. Both my monitors are 2 feet in front of my face. Maybe that's why my vision keeps getting worse, haha. -
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Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 18:00:36 JST
Tyler
Yeah I instinctively reach for python because I'm just familiar with it.
I think sed is the tool for that sort of binary find-and-replace right? -
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☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 18:00:36 JST
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@tyler @dick @Humpleupagus @WilhelmIII @briar @cowanon Yeah I think so; I meticulously crafted a grep and sed string with all the switches in the proper order, and it worked the first time like Great Destiny. It’s probably still sitting there in the user folder but I haven’t opened that laptop since about 2010 or so. ?? Humpleupagus ?? likes this. -
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?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 18:08:15 JST
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Kinda. I had to plug in a second mouse, which I threw behind my desk, otherwise that pointer always stayed in middle of the display. With the second mouse plugged in, I can force that pointer way into the corner. I don't use it. But I do sometimes attach the keyboard to it, so it's separated from the primary pointer. Then I can use the primary pointer and keyboard separately. When split, I still technically only have one focused window, but the keyboard doesn't move to it. It stays in the editor unless I move it using the keyboard.
The hotkey is used to switch the pointer the keyboard is attach to. -
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HonkHonkBoom (honkhonkboom@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 18:08:16 JST
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@Humpleupagus @tyler @dick @WilhelmIII @briar @cowanon @KingOfWhiteAmerica ohhhh, there some ideas flowin now.. all that midi junk, but beyond that, second pointer? so you have two separate pointers controlled by separate input devices at the same time? -
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Mancow Muller ? (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 18:09:20 JST
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I like to position windows in a specific way: chats, browser, and everything else. It'd be cool for them to always be positioned like I like with just a command or hotkey without having to manually position and resize etc. every time I reboot. 🤷 I've heard of systems that don't use DEs that can do something similar; maybe my next one will... dammit, what are they called, tiled window managers or something akin? ?? Humpleupagus ?? likes this. -
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?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 18:10:27 JST
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You can typically just install other DEs and select them from your login screen as needed. -
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?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 18:12:16 JST
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Kde plasms can do it with kwin hot keys.
I3 type tiling managers can do it to, though how those layout depend on the features of the tiling manager. -
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Mancow Muller ? (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 18:12:17 JST
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Here's basically what I mean. It'd be neat to "alt+tab" between just the three different chat programs at the bottom of the left monitor. -
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?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 18:20:46 JST
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Oh.... I also had to make a udev rule to make me the owner of the second mouse device, so I could move it into the corner with a login script without having to be root or a sudo user.
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