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   Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Saturday, 07-Sep-2024 22:55:11 JST Hyolobrika

   • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
   @lain We were talking about rights some time ago. You said you didn't believe in them. But what about property rights? As an ancap, surely you must believe in those? What about the NAP? Isn't that a kind of right or obligation?
   
   To me, rights are just another framing of ethics. "Everyone has a right to life" means "don't kill".
   I'm not sure why it's thought of differently.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Saturday, 07-Sep-2024 22:55:09 JST feld

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     @lain @Hyolobrika Reported you to the NLRC
     
     https://nrlc.org/
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Sep-2024 22:55:10 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @Hyolobrika i do believe in rights, but i don't believe in legislated rights, or positive natural rights in general. you can get all sorts of rights from contractual obligations though. i think the difference is shown in your example: "everyone has a right to life" is not a right i would believe in. "everyone has a right to not be unjustly hurt" would be. "everyone has a right to life" would imply that someone would have to actively keep everyone alive, which is an imposition on whoever that person would be.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Saturday, 07-Sep-2024 22:57:27 JST feld

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     @Hyolobrika It's a legal system not a justice system and once that phrase works its way into your brain you realize a lot of propaganda protecting the legal system is parroted by almost everyone.
     
     Lady Justice is blind but she didn't write the laws and she isn't adjudicating the cases, but people with agendas did and do
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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Saturday, 07-Sep-2024 22:57:28 JST Hyolobrika

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     • binkle
     • ロミンちゃん
     That's basically how I think of it. The role of the legal and justice system is to embody justice, but that doesn't mean they actually do.
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     ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 07-Sep-2024 22:57:29 JST ロミンちゃん

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     @lain @Hyolobrika
     >unjustly
     you're bringing legislation with that one :l_sure:
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     binkle (binkle@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Saturday, 07-Sep-2024 22:57:29 JST binkle

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     • ロミンちゃん
     @romin @lain @Hyolobrika justice is an abstract virtue (hopefully) embodied in government but not inseperable from it. That's why it's possible for a "hero vigilante operating outside the law" to still be understood as a hero in story and why we can understand the application of some laws to be unjust even if "lawful"