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   Uirá Porã (uira@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 06:58:51 JST Uirá Porã

   • Ecologia Digital

   @josemurilo o que pensas sobre a integração do ATmosphere com o ActivityPub?

   Achei essa análise importante, especialmente do ponto de vista da experiência dos usuários:

   https://berjon.com/ap-at/

   Sempre ficaremos com o desafio do equilíbrio entre liberdade e facilidade.

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     Uirá Porã (uira@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 06:58:47 JST Uirá Porã

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     • Ecologia Digital

     @robin @josemurilo What's your schedule like for the second half of November?

     We'll be holding a Free Knowledge Hacker Meetup in Fortaleza, Ceará, and one of the goals is to install a local infrastructure to provide a federated service (probably in a school).

     It would be great to welcome you and get hands-on between swims and snacks on the beach.

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     Robin Berjon (robin@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 06:58:48 JST Robin Berjon

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     @josemurilo @uira I think there are more details about that at https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds. But before jumping into the hosting part, I would recommend spending some time figuring out what the goals are and what the governance for such a PDS hosting service would be. In my mind, when democracy works it is also a school for democracy, and we all need to learn how to do democracy in digital spaces, there is very little experience. Maybe this is a place to experiment!

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     Robin Berjon (robin@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 06:58:49 JST Robin Berjon

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     @josemurilo @uira Those are very interesting questions and also an important topic here in Europe even if the situation is different! I would love to sit down and spend more time working through the details of what would be the best approach here. A couple quick notes:

     * I think that deploying AT PDS hosting alternative to Bluesky would be relatively easy, cheap, and useful. It would serve as a guarantee of independence.
     * Developing the AT/AP integration to avoid lock in (more work & harder)

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     Robin Berjon (robin@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 06:58:49 JST Robin Berjon

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     @josemurilo @uira
     * Building new protocols atop AT. Maybe there is something to do with Pix?
     * Build up capacity for Ozone governance so people can make their own content moderation.

     That's just a few morning thoughts from an ocean away of course, I'd love to hear what you think would be most useful!

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     Ecologia Digital (josemurilo@mato.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 06:58:49 JST Ecologia Digital

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     @robin @uira

     Thanks for being there, man!
     In your view, the way to go would be something like that?

     https://www.npmjs.com/package/@atproto/pds

     Can you tell if this conversation in Europe has translated somehow into code development by gov agencies?

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     Ecologia Digital (josemurilo@mato.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 06:58:50 JST Ecologia Digital

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     @uira
     @robin é o cara!
     Gostaria de saber o que ele pensa sobre a nossa situação peculiar aqui no Brasil, e se essa aproximação dos protocolos ainda seria possível nesta altura do campeonato. Se o Lula quisesse investir agora em uma alternativa para o espaço que no passado foi ocupado pelo Twitter, qual a dica? Vale apostar no protocolo? Qual?

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 23:48:28 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Thiago Skárnio

     @josemurilo @robin @skarnio @aracnus I don't think anyone working on setting up servers should have to worry about supporting multiple protocol stacks. We have a great bridge between AT and AP, and that should be all anyone needs.

     Your team can concentrate on supporting AP, and anyone using BlueSky can get to the service through the bridge. It's almost seamless.

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     Robin Berjon (robin@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 23:48:29 JST Robin Berjon

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     @josemurilo @uira Regarding the European conversation, right now it's mostly talking. There is this event coming up: https://digital-independence.eu/ (sorry for the bad accessibility on that page) and a lot of discussion on the topic, but not a lot of concrete work yet.

     I think Brazil is ahead on this topic. I look at something like Pix and I think "Hey! Why isn't the European Central Bank doing that!?"

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     Robin Berjon (robin@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 23:48:29 JST Robin Berjon

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     @josemurilo @uira There are other examples around the world (e.g. Beckn). I think it would be wonderful if we had some kind of place that all of us who are interested in democratic digital spaces and digital self-determination could come together to share experiences and debate how best to do things.

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     Ecologia Digital (josemurilo@mato.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 23:48:29 JST Ecologia Digital

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     @robin @skarnio @aracnus @evan
     Hello Robin, thnks for the help!
     I've talked with friends in gov.br, and your notes caused some surprise. 1st, as we work with public policy, we are comfortable with AP, and not so much with AT. You say that developing AT/AP integration is not easy, but then, that would be our main challenge.
     You mentioned PIX, and we've been thinking how it could be part of the protocol. Do you think it could somehow help the AT/AP integration?
     Maybe we have an opportunity here.

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     Robin Berjon (robin@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 23:48:30 JST Robin Berjon

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     @josemurilo @uira One idea I like is to help people organise to create their own content moderation. We don't all need to have the same one but if every individual has to do all of it alone that's way too much work. But people could come together in groups to produce content moderation labels, and others can apply those labels (to block, mute, etc.). I think there's great collective potential there. Tools like https://github.com/bluesky-social/ozone can help.

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     Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 23:51:59 JST Evan Prodromou

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     • Thiago Skárnio

     @josemurilo @robin @skarnio @aracnus

     As far as which to work on, well: one is an open standard defined by a well-respected standards organization. It has hundreds of implementations, tens of thousands of installed servers. Many stakeholders, many

     The other is a proprietary protocol by a single venture-funded Silicon Valley startup.

     Government organizations should be investing in AP.