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   iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 19:01:44 JST iced depresso
   > if you are in a country for 183 days you are considered a resident/citizen for the purpose of taxes
   
   :comfywoozy: funny how its easier to become a tax cattle than a real citizen
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 19:12:31 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @icedquinn no taxation without representation should mean that greencard holders don't have to pay taxes
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     Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 19:15:05 JST Bricky

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     @lain Agree, on the basis they will never be eligible for state welfare/benefits.
     
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 19:18:22 JST iced depresso

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     @s8n @lain passports are a relatively new part of the control grid's tyranny.
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     THOT POLICE (s8n@posting.lolicon.rocks)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 19:18:23 JST THOT POLICE

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     @lain @icedquinn green cards shouldn't exist at all though, they're insanely anti-american. If you aren't a citizen of the country there is no way in fuck you should be employed or owning land
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 19:48:18 JST iced depresso

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     @Alex @lain @s8n foreigners getting to own land at all is kinda not within tradition.
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     :trans_paw:⛧Alex⛧:trans_paw: (alex@boymilk.cafe)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 19:48:21 JST :trans_paw:⛧Alex⛧:trans_paw:

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     If you own land in a country you should be considered a citizen of it tbh
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 21:08:05 JST iced depresso

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     @thatbrickster @lain @newt i suspect high taxes and performative socialism reduces the overall donations to charity. when the state is raping your wallet for 15% of everything you take—for "medicine" that only a minority of the population is allowed to have—people get this "it's already taken care of" feeling.
     
     i know because people tell me to "just get on welfare" and they tend not to know that doing so in the states requires lawsuits.
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     Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 21:08:06 JST Bricky

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     @newt I get and understand where you're coming from. Charity is a more organic way of sending help to where it needs to go, if only people would donate to charity and not hoard wealth.
     
     My viewpoint has changed as I've aged. I could theorise a utopia where taxes are voluntary and private property rights enshrined in the unwritten social contract, or I could be pragmatic and work with what we have. I am of the opinion most do not follow what yourself or myself would want. It's better to resolve current problems than try and reinvent things and create new ones.
     
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     Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 21:08:08 JST Bricky

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     @newt Disagree, to the extent that the state should offer something for their citizens (eligibility is another topic). The UK is far too generous as to who gets it.
     
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     :suya: (newt@stereophonic.space)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 21:08:08 JST :suya:

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     @thatbrickster @icedquinn @lain offer from whose money? Because it is always tax money being redistributed, ineffectively and with huge losses. Private charities do a lot better than whatever governments may provide.
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     :suya: (newt@stereophonic.space)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 21:08:09 JST :suya:

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     • Bricky
     @thatbrickster @icedquinn @lain state welfare must die
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 21:11:09 JST iced depresso

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     @thatbrickster @lain @newt the gross part is in the USA due to obamacare they now fine you for not having insurance. which we already fucking pay for out of the social security mandate.
     
     so they basically force you to buy a private service or they just take money from you. then they just take the money that would have gone to your deductible from you anyway. its an absolute ass of a clown show.
     
     meanwhile i sit here with busted teeth because :blobcatdunno:
     
     why no i'm not bitter :neocat_up:
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 21:19:39 JST iced depresso

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     @thatbrickster @lain @newt not specifically about healthcare. its that charity work tends to happen when your cup is overflowing.
     
     abusive taxation (such as in the name of social welfare programs) takes the money from people who's cups are actually not overflowing to begin with, and just oppresses their ability to help people *they* actually care about.
     
     some of this could be helped with allowing the flat tax to be deducted like income tax, but they won't do that.
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     Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 21:19:40 JST Bricky

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     @icedquinn No question. The world's largest economy doesn't have a functional healthcare system. Different to say, the NHS, since what the US is fundamentally broken.
     
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 21:20:43 JST iced depresso

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     @thatbrickster @lain @newt i just bring that up because i had to slot ~2,000$ in to the old people fund last quarter when i had that job. for healthcare. that i can't have. because instead of being allowed to get new glasses or teeth fixed i was forced to pay it so old people could choose not to work or something.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 21:25:16 JST iced depresso

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     @lain @newt @thatbrickster so basically you have
     
     - poor people who actually need the service are being robbed to give it to whoever the state prioritized instead
     - other people think everything is being handled because they are being robbed to fund services they don't need
     - nobody realizes the programs are actually not that effective, until they need them
     
     i've been told the swiss have similar issues. their social programs are actually significantly more competent than ours, but people exhibit that "someone else is taking care of it so why should i care" aura i was talking about.
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     whiteline (whiteline@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 21:28:16 JST whiteline

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     @icedquinn @lain @thatbrickster @newt
     
     yeah, from what i understand US taxation is way too shifted towards the working poor
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 21:28:16 JST iced depresso

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     @whiteline @lain @thatbrickster @newt yeah. well like i said. they keep talking about "oh this tax plan" and that bullshit. the reality is the tax code is retarded so literally nothing either party says means godfucked anything.
     
     instead of raising the start of the income tax system to 10k, you still accumulate federal taxes all the way down to a couple thousand dollars. then you disclaim the first 10,000$ of that after calculation (the standard deduction.) but now you add 15.xx% of your total earnings for boomer tax (social security) which you can't write off with this magic 10k$.
     
     that means the democrat could promise to raise the standard deduction to infinite money, and it wouldn't do jack shit for the poor. the poor's income is being slaughtered by the flat tax regardless.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 21:32:11 JST iced depresso

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     @whiteline @lain @newt @thatbrickster anyway yeah this wasn't meant to be a derailment of the whole private charity thing i just meant to say that when people are taxed to shit there is a combination of less money to spend on other people and when people believe there is a public service they tend to outsource their virtue on to that service (while having no actual idea if that service even works)
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     :suya: (newt@stereophonic.space)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 21:48:03 JST :suya:

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     @thatbrickster @icedquinn @lain look..
     
     As it is today, state welfare is a Ponzi scheme. And like every Ponzi scheme, it will pop. Check out this fun little plot and enjoy the feeling of what is yet to come.
     
     Source: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Pensions_in_national_accounts_-_statistics
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     :suya: (newt@stereophonic.space)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 21:48:04 JST :suya:

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     @thatbrickster @icedquinn @lain people before you and me have "worked with what they had" and look where that brought you.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 22:05:52 JST iced depresso

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     • whiteline
     @whiteline @lain @thatbrickster @newt it seems like friendly societies worked a lot better for some of this—before they were killed by shenanigans.
     
     i'm not sure how we could revive them though.
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     whiteline (whiteline@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 22:05:53 JST whiteline

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     @icedquinn @lain @thatbrickster @newt
     
     this is also increasingly the case in sweden, with the caveat that it used to work while i was a kid and now it doesn't while the government still pretends it does
     
     we need a hard break with neoliberalism