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   Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Aug-2024 05:52:14 JST Alexandre Oliva

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   • Alfred M. Szmidt
   GNU Emacs is the actual GNU operating system. it can also be used as an editor. :-)
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     Alfred M. Szmidt (amszmidt@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Aug-2024 05:52:15 JST Alfred M. Szmidt

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     • Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:
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     @publicvoit In other words, Emacs is anything and everything and nothing. What absolute crock.

     Common Lisp is now Emacs.

     @jtr

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     Alfred M. Szmidt (amszmidt@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Aug-2024 05:52:16 JST Alfred M. Szmidt

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     • Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:
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     @publicvoit Then what is Emacs if not an editor?

     @jtr

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     Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode: (publicvoit@graz.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Aug-2024 05:52:16 JST Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:

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     • Alfred M. Szmidt

     @amszmidt @jtr A Lisp platform. Easy as that.

     If this happens to be something where you edit text, it's similar to a text editor.

     If it happens to be composing music, cutting videos, playing games, visualizing your agenda, or many other use-cases, there is no text editor involved at all.

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     Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode: (publicvoit@graz.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Aug-2024 05:52:17 JST Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:

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     • Alfred M. Szmidt

     @amszmidt @jtr I never used the term "Emacs editor".

     If I would, I'd agree.

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     Alfred M. Szmidt (amszmidt@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Aug-2024 05:52:18 JST Alfred M. Szmidt

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     • Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:
     • JuTaRo :emacs: ☕

     @publicvoit Emacs is an editor. It is not a platform, that is GNU Emacs -- which even the GNU web site explains.

     Thesis by RMS on Emacs on the topic is a good read.

     As for arbitrarily limiting on what you consider valid or acceptable -- what nonsense. There are plenty of people that use ersatz Emacs, XEmacs, LW, Hemlock or what have you.

     @jtr

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     Alfred M. Szmidt (amszmidt@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Aug-2024 05:52:18 JST Alfred M. Szmidt

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     • Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:
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     @publicvoit if you use email-mode in GNU Emacs, you are no longer using the Emacs editor. It is simple as that.

     @jtr

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     Alfred M. Szmidt (amszmidt@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Aug-2024 05:52:20 JST Alfred M. Szmidt

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     • Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:
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     @publicvoit Sorta weird question, even GNU Emacs is a niche.

     But you have CLIMACS, Hemlock, you have ersatz emacs like mg. In the "back from the future" world you got ZWEI. In the proprietary world, Lispworks has a fork of Zwei.

     GNU Emacs is the best Emacs, but Emacs is just an editor -- with a specific UX.

     I think it is a mistake to equate e.g., Magit and Emacs -- they both run under GNU Emacs but they are very different in how they work.

     @jtr

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     Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode: (publicvoit@graz.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Aug-2024 05:52:20 JST Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:

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     • Alfred M. Szmidt

     @amszmidt @jtr After working for almost three decades with Emacs, I only stumbled over XEmacs and GNU Emacs.

     I've never stumbled over your other examples. Emacs might be a niche on its own, yes, but your examples don't even qualify for a niche worth mentioning IMHO - at least what their practical impact means. YMMV.

     Emacs is a Lisp platform, no editor (only). I'd love to see your reference from the creators or Emacs. Might be a definition from the 70s/80s where this might have been correct.

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     Alfred M. Szmidt (amszmidt@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Aug-2024 05:52:21 JST Alfred M. Szmidt

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     • Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:
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     @publicvoit @jtr I don't see how it proves anything -- this is just confusing implementation and one specific program in that implementation -- GNU Emacs vs. Emacs. There are more Emacs editors than the one GNU Emacs has.

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     Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode: (publicvoit@graz.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Aug-2024 05:52:21 JST Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:

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     • Alfred M. Szmidt

     @amszmidt @jtr Interesting. Which Emacs implementation besides GNU Emacs has any practical impact beyond niche?

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     Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode: (publicvoit@graz.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Aug-2024 05:52:23 JST Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:

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     @jtr Your article proves (again) that Emacs is not just a text editor.

     My take on that: https://karl-voit.at/2015/10/23/Emacs-is-not-just-an-editor/

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     JuTaRo :emacs: ☕ (jtr@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Aug-2024 05:52:24 JST JuTaRo :emacs: ☕

     What the hell is Emacs, anyway?

     I'm not sure I explained it in a way that makes sense. The problem is not explaining what tool Emacs is or what kind of software; that's pretty easy: It's a text editor.

     Asking what is Emacs sells it short and doesn't explain why so many people swear by Emacs every day.

     Perhaps a better question is why. So, as the blog's title suggests, don't ask why; I'll explain anyway.

     What is or why Emacs?: https://taonaw.com/2024/08/18/what-is-or.html

     #emacs