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   Coach Pāṇini ® (paninid@mastodon.world)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Aug-2024 04:20:58 JST Coach Pāṇini ®

   What does Alex Jones think #neoliberal means? 🤔
   https://mastodon.social/@JoshuaHolland/112989759174013882

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     Jimmy Havok (jhavok@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Aug-2024 04:20:53 JST Jimmy Havok

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     @nus @benroyce @Dseitz @paninid Americans who use "neoliberal" are generally using it merely to tar liberals with a word they know is bad, without knowing or caring what it means. "Neoliberals" are "neo" because they are harking back to a time when free markets were a progressive idea and cartelism was the standard. That era is being revived by neoconservatives, of course, but liberal liberals are well past the point where simply not favoring cronies is a radical idea. 1/

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     Jimmy Havok (jhavok@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Aug-2024 04:20:53 JST Jimmy Havok

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     @nus @benroyce @Dseitz @paninid The dirtbag left has the idea that chaos will favor them over the corporate feudalists, and therefore hate liberalism because it keeps society functioning with incremental improvements. They regard fascism as a secret ally, because it will hasten the collapse they dream of. History means nothing next to the romance of revolution.

     Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: repeated this.
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     Coach Pāṇini ® (paninid@mastodon.world)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Aug-2024 04:20:53 JST Coach Pāṇini ®

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     @jhavok @nus @benroyce @Dseitz
     #Accelerationists are derp.

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     Ben Royce 🇺🇦 (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Aug-2024 04:20:55 JST Ben Royce 🇺🇦

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     Words with complex ideological meaning are naturally difficult to use and then when they become contentious topics and degenerate into barked insults it becomes worse. I just avoid certain words and speak plainly, breaking it out, because otherwise discussions rapidly descend into back-and-forth word definition "arguments", rather than any true communication

     Unfortunately, this is also a disinfo method, by which you can obfuscate by muddying a word and suppressing discussion

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     nus (nus@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Aug-2024 04:20:55 JST nus

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     @benroyce @Dseitz @paninid making a "them" group in general is unhelpful; complain about neoliberals (in all but specific terms) and you join leftists, conservatives, Alex Jones, fascists, Jimmy Dore fans (I repeat myself), and pretty much anybody who doesn't pigeonhole themselves in a pretty specific definition of the term

     BTW leftists don't (shouldn't) be opposed to all neoliberal prescriptions, even if they disagree with the way to get there. But saying "(neo/shit)lib" helps nobody

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     Dan Seitz (dseitz@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Aug-2024 04:20:56 JST Dan Seitz

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     Seriously I've gotten a dozen different definitions of the word "neoliberal." They tend to coalesce around the idea of "Fiscal conservative, social liberal" which is at least consistent, but then suddenly anybody the person doesn't like is a "neoliberal."

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     Ben Royce 🇺🇦 (benroyce@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Aug-2024 04:20:57 JST Ben Royce 🇺🇦

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     Neoliberal is like when you use the character Neo from the movie The Matrix a lot. Example usage: "John's fanfiction made heavy use of first person narration from Neo. It was Neoliberal."